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Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« on: August 21, 2012, 09:06:57 PM »
I need some input from  those of you that are more familiar with striker fired pistols, how would you rate the M&P Shield's trigger action against what you would consider a really good striker fired pistol?

Until November of last year I only shot revolvers. In November, and after a lot of research and gun rentals, I bought my first semi-auto. A Beretta PX4. I love that gun. But, I recently bought an M&P Shield so I could have something a little easier to conceal. It does conceal well and is a very comfortable gun. But it is striker fired and so far I'm not really impressed with the trigger action. I actually like the Beretta in double action better than the Shield's trigger. When the Beretta is in single action there is no comparison. Am I too spoiled with my Beretta? When I practice dry fire with the Shield it feels and sounds like I'm shooting a Red Rider BB Gun.
Maybe I'm just one of those people who prefer a hammer fired pistol but it seem to me that there is no comparison between hammer fired and striker fired. I've got a feeling that I may give the Shield to my wife and start looking for a sub compact hammer fired pistol for me.

Your opinions are welcome.

And on that thought, what hammer fired sub compact would you recommend? Must be DA/SA.
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Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 09:08:40 PM »
Px4sc.

Lol.

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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2012, 09:10:33 PM »
I should also mention that I've put about 300 rounds through it and had 7 or 8 FTF. I'm using Winchester White box ammo but I won't let that be the excuse fot FTF since my Beretta eats everything I put in it.
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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 09:11:34 PM »
Px4sc.

Lol.
I'm considering it but I think it's a little thicker than I want.
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Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 09:19:30 PM »
I hear that. I want a Px4sc .40, but it's too thick for pocket carry for sure.

I'm the same way with the DA/SA triggers. I've shot a few striker fired that I thought were ok, and some I've even liked, but none come close to how the SA trigger pull feels of a DA/SA gun. (IMHO)

Good luck with the hunt, I'll be interested in what you turn up.

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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2012, 06:58:11 AM »
I should also mention that I've put about 300 rounds through it and had 7 or 8 FTF. I'm using Winchester White box ammo but I won't let that be the excuse fot FTF since my Beretta eats everything I put in it.

Wow!  That's A LOT of FTFs (especially for a Shield).  Out of curiosity, how many of those FTF rounds were able to fire on a 2nd attempt (after clearing the FTF and reloading the round since you can't 2nd strike with it being striker-fired)?  Or were they FTE/FTLs?

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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2012, 07:18:58 AM »

Wow!  That's A LOT of FTFs (especially for a Shield).  Out of curiosity, how many of those FTF rounds were able to fire on a 2nd attempt (after clearing the FTF and reloading the round since you can't 2nd strike with it being striker-fired)?  Or were they FTE/FTLs?

All of them fired on the second strike.
There were no FTE or FTLs. Just FTFs.
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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2012, 09:04:15 AM »
All of them fired on the second strike.
There were no FTE or FTLs. Just FTFs.

Egad!  I wonder if it just needs a longer break-in period or maybe there was a bad batch of WWB (with hard primers) in a box.  I know this is going off topic from your original post but I'm very curious to see how your Shield will perform with another 100 or so rounds of a different ammo manufacturer (not because WWB is crap but just to completely rule out a possible bad batch from them).  If it continues to have FTFs, then I would send it in to S&W to have them take a look at it.

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Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2012, 09:56:26 AM »
So what are even the options available to you CJ?  Who all makes subcompacts that are DA/SA? 

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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 10:19:46 AM »
perhaps you would like the sig p938. I like the the striker fire myself. I had a keltec p-11 and the DA was horrible.
the G-19 stricker is nice.

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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 11:02:24 AM »
Your results with the Shield are unusual, I have heard nothing but good about them.  I would hazard to say that perhaps the Beretta has spoiled you.  The PX4 is a great gun.  If they made one with a little longer barrel I would own one now.  A few months back I started a thread that amounted to the fact that I am an old revolver guy at heart and I have to have a gun with a hammer.  There are some great striker fired guns out there but they just doesn't suit me.
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Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2012, 12:33:14 PM »
Top contenders I found based on your requirements and reviews after a google search.

Px4sc (a little bulky I know)

HK P2000 SK (DA/SA with Decocker version)

Bersa Thunder 9 (a Pro and Ultra Compact version are avaliable)

CZ Rami (never heard of it)

Sig P239 (supposedly is heavy for what it is)

Out of those I personally like the Px4 and HK.  (That HK looks awesome, but is expensive)

 

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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2012, 02:41:47 PM »
Top contenders I found based on your requirements and reviews after a google search.

Px4sc (a little bulky I know)

HK P2000 SK (DA/SA with Decocker version)

Bersa Thunder 9 (a Pro and Ultra Compact version are avaliable)

CZ Rami (never heard of it)

Sig P239 (supposedly is heavy for what it is)

Out of those I personally like the Px4 and HK.  (That HK looks awesome, but is expensive)
I appreciate the help there Jeb. We've got that Sonic Wall blocking crap at work. Any weapons related site I try to go to I get blocked. There are a few that get thru. i have a guy that I work with that is considering parting with his PX4sc. I might be able to work some kind of swap.
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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2012, 04:09:02 PM »
If not ask him what he might want for it.  Lol.  I've been keeping an eye out for a good deal on a Px4sc .40.   :th_thicon_idea: :th_thicon_idea:

Looking at the specs though, the HK P2000 is almost the exact same size as the Px4sc. 

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Characteristics
Overall Length 158 mm (6.2 inch)
 Overall Heights 122 mm (4,8 inch)
 Barrel Length 76 mm (3.0 inch)
 Sight Radius 122 mm (4.8 inch)
 Grip Width 30 mm (1.2 inch) Width at controls 36 mm (1.4 inch)
 Weight Unloaded 740 grams (26.1 ounces)
 Magazine Capacity 13 rounds (9mm)
 Magazine Capacity 10 rounds (40$&W)

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Dimensions

V2

v3



Overall length

6.41 in.

6.41 in.



Overall height

4.55 in.

4.55 in.



Overall width

1.34 in.

1.34 in.



Barrel length

3.26 in.

3.26 in.



Sight radius

5.18 in.

5.18 in.



Weight

 

 



With empty magazine

1.50 lb

1.50 lb



Other Specifications

 

 



Magazine capacity

9 or 12 Cartridges
.40S&W/.357 SIG

 10 or 13 Cartridges
 9 mm

9 or 12 Cartridges
.40S&W/.357 SIG
 
10 or 13 Cartridges
 9 mm



Single Action (SA) trigger pull

4.50 lbs

4.50 lbs



Double Action (DA) trigger pull

11.47 lbs

11.47 lbs



Sights

3-dot

3-dot

Guess which one is which.  :P  At twice the price, I'd pass on the HK.  Although it really does look sweet.   :th_thicon_lol:

The Bersa Thunder Ultra Compact isn't any smaller either.   

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Model: TPUC9
Caliber(s): 9MM
Action: DA/SA
Capacity: 10+1 or 13+1
Barrel Length: 3.25”
Front Sight: Interchangeable Sig Sauer type
Rear Sight: Interchangeable Sig Sauer type
Finishes: Duotone or Matte Black
Grips: Checkered Black Polymer
Construction: Alloy Frame/Steel Slide
Safety: Integral Locking System, Manual, Firing Pin
Weight: 23 oz.
Length: 6.5”
Height: 4.75”
Width: 1.45

If you're looking for thinner we (meaning you :P) need to narrow it down to single stack 9mm sub compacts that are DA/SA.  Hmmmmmmmmm, I'll see what I can find. 

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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2012, 04:25:14 PM »
Man, the Sig single stacks are not much thinner than these double stacks. 

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Item Number
 
Contrast 239-9-B (9mm) 239-40-B (.40S&W) Night Sights 239-9-BSS (9mm) 239-357-BSS (.357SIG) 239-40-BSS (.40S&W)
 



  Caliber
 
9mm or .40S&W, .357SIG
 



  Action Type
 
DA/SA
 



  Trigger Pull DA
 
10.0 lbs
 



  Trigger Pull SA
 
4.4 lbs
 



  Overall Length
 
6.6 in
 



  Overall Height
 
5.1 in
 



  Overall Width
 
1.2 in
 



  Barrel Length
 
3.6 in
 



  Sight Radius
 
5.2 in
 



  Weight w/Mag
 
29.5 oz
 



  Mag Capacity
 
8 Rounds (9mm) 7 Rounds (.40S&W, .357SIG)
 



  Sights
 
Contrast, SIGLITE® Night Sights available
 



  Grips
 
Black Polymer Factory Grips
 



  Frame Finish
 
Black Hard Anodized
 



  Slide Finish
 
Nitron®
 



  Accessory Rail
 
No
 



  Features
 
DA/SA Trigger
 



  MSRP
 
$858 (Contrast) $929 (Night Sights)
 



  CA Compliant
 
Yes
 



  MA Compliant
 
Yes

So for .2 of an inch you almost double the capacity.  I'm using 1 inch as an ideal width for a single stack sub compact pistol.  (The Nano is .9 and the Shield is .95)
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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2012, 04:37:50 PM »
Man, not a lot out there unless you want to get away from DA/SA. 
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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2012, 04:51:34 PM »
Man, not a lot out there unless you want to get away from DA/SA. 

No, it doesn't look like it. I appreciate your efforts looking this stuff up Jeb. I definitely owe you a bag full of nutshells.
If I decide to stay with striker fired I may just keep the Shield. But, I really like the Beretta SA/DA trigger.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2012, 04:59:33 PM »
No problem man. I've been on my laptop more anyway lately. Lol.

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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2012, 08:23:01 PM »
For DA/SA sub-compact, you can add the soon-to-be-released (at least that's what they keep telling us) Sig P224.  The P224 is basically a chopped down version of the Compact P229 (which itself is a chopped down version of the Full-size P226).  My friend is a Sig nut and already owns a 229 and 226 so the 224 is a no-brainer for him (consistency in training).

The HK P2000SK is nice (and very expensive) except I couldn't stand the tiny ambidextrous mag-release lever compared to the P30-series (or even the HK45-series).  I train to actuate the mag-release with my strong-hand middle finger (instead of taking the handgun off target and actuating a conventional mag-release button with the thumb).  I love this method so much that I reversed the mag-release buttons on both my PX4 Full-size and Compact to maintain consistency (using my strong-hand middle finger).  The P2000SK's tiny mag-release lever is very bitey and I'm afraid it isn't as easy to find (especially under stress).

If you're going the PX4 SC route, just remember that it doesn't have the nice rotating barrel mechanism that the Full-size and Compacts do.  That (and the size drop) translates into noticeably harsher recoil.  13 rounds of 9mm goodness is hard to beat, though (same as P2000SK...the P224 has 11 rounds).

As far as the rest of Sig's products:
- P938 (1911-style single-action only)
- P250 (DAO)
- P290 (DAO)
- P239 (DA/SA)

Of the four Sigs listed above, I would only personally consider the P239 because it has the perfect blend of DA/SA that I also like.

None of these really fit the pocket pistol category, though (which is where the Shield really shines).  Not even the single-stack P239 comes close to the Shield in terms of overall length, height and weight.

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Re: Hammer fired Beretta PX4 vs Striker fired M&P Shield
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2012, 10:29:53 PM »
You know you can pocket carry a pt145!
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