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SHTF Preparedness........
« on: May 13, 2019, 10:16:00 AM »
SHTF Preparedness. I'm not talking about an end of the world event or major catastrophic failure of our economy or society. But natural occurring events that can and will happen to most of us at some point in time.

Back in September of 2005 when Hurricane Rita hit Texas, we were not directly affected by the hurricane, but our electric COOP was, so we were out of power for almost two weeks here at the house. Thankfully were fairly well prepared and it was of just more of a minor inconvenience, or aggravating at the worst.

For myself, it was almost like camping out! We had a generator, plenty of food and water, and means to cook by. The worst for me at that time was not being able to run the A/C and the humidity. Humidity in East Texas can be miserable. I was still able to go to work since the company I worked for had power, and I was able to do my service calls and get my jobs done. We still had water at the house, and so I was able to still take showers. Which after about the second day or so, the hot water had ran out, but in September of that year, it was  still plenty warm and humid, so taking cold showers were not the most unpleasant thing!

But having the essentials, for a short-term SHTF event is needed in order to make it through. Or to have some sort of plan in place in how to deal with one. And a person has to make a decision as to whether they are going to hunker down and stay put, and ride it out, or to make plans to go elsewhere until things come back to normal and stabilize.
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2019, 02:30:01 PM »
i'd just call it emergency or disaster preparedness.
i'm thinking that SHTF is supposed to be societal collapse,
anarchy, TEOTWAWKI type deal like "Mad Max" or "The Road"
type deal.
most folks i know of these days can't deal the simplest of
minor discomforts, let alone losing electrical power, or
not having running water, no cell phone, having to poop in
the woods, etc.
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2019, 03:01:42 PM »

i'm thinking that SHTF is supposed to be societal collapse,
anarchy, TEOTWAWKI type deal like "Mad Max" or "The Road"
type deal.

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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2019, 03:34:16 PM »
After the hurricane, other than the power being out for almost two weeks, it was fairly normal. There weren't any huge trees down or houses torn up or any real damage in our area of East Texas.  Our power comes from a COOP, that is east of us and they did suffer lots of damage to their lines from downed trees.

As far as preppers, that are waiting for society to collapse, those people are morons!
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2019, 03:41:36 PM »

The Dems taking over

That's easy to plan for:

Lose your job
Get free health care, housing stipends, food, medical care, child care, taxi rides and more.  In Austin it's worth about $60K per year, tax free.

Anyone here make $60K tax free?

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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2019, 03:51:53 PM »

The Dems taking over

That's easy to plan for:

Lose your job
Get free health care, housing stipends, food, medical care, child care, taxi rides and more.  In Austin it's worth about $60K per year, tax free.

Anyone here make $60K tax free?

If I had $60K a year, tax free, I'd have a Boomer too!  :wave1:
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2019, 08:18:48 PM »
I also have a generator that will keep me with water and lights but not big enough to run the A/C.
Lots of canned goods and toilet paper, Also have 5 Jerry cans of gas to hold me for a few days.
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 12:32:31 AM »
I also have a generator that will keep me with water and lights but not big enough to run the A/C.
Lots of canned goods and toilet paper, Also have 5 Jerry cans of gas to hold me for a few days.

Trust me, toilet paper si worth it's weight in gold! You never want to run out of it!  :scream3:

Pick the wrong leaf in the woods, and it ain't gonna be fun in the least.  :thumbsdown:
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 12:01:07 PM »
I agree with Ranger99.
We're talking a utility outage or natural disaster planning.
NOT a SHIF prep scenario.
We've had some utility outages and hurricane aftermath issues.

Keep extra supplies of drinking water, toilet paper, dog food, batteries and
I fill all vehicles up plus buy 2 5gals of gas at very 1st sign of an active hurricane coming into gulf.
If we have to leave, we can throw the freezer. dogs kennels, etc.
on truck and get 400 miles away with that extra gas.

The drinking water is for water utility outages which seems becoming more common in last 2 years.
Keep 3 6gal cases for coffee, cooking and refilling toilets.
Coffee is important! We also keep a can of instant just for electric outages.
If hurricane hit is impending we fill up bath tubs with water, too.

I keeps some rolls of tarps, in case of roof wind damage needs covering.
Also keep lots of rolls of both clear and duct tapes for temporary repairs.

We have NG to house so can cook and get hot showers if we loose electricity.
Most we've had to endure so far is 6 days.

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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2019, 01:09:27 PM »
. . .The drinking water is for water utility outages which seems becoming more common in last 2 years.
Keep 3 6gal cases for coffee, cooking and refilling toilets.
Coffee is important!

one thing i don't do is pour potable water down the toilet.
you may want to consider what i do when HCEC is down.
i have a watering trough at the edge of the shed roof and
collect rain water that can be used to pour down the toilet
to flush, or with some work can be purified for drinking water.
i also used to take some dedicated jugs for flush water and
i would go down to the creek bridge and dip up flush water
with a bucket on a rope. the jugs were throw aways that
formerly had a couple of gallons of diesel engine oil in them.
i don't mix potable water jugs and flush water jugs.

and coffee is very important! !  i keep distilled water
specifically for that  :thumbsup1:
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2019, 01:45:12 PM »
Ranger, Its just easier for me to stack 3 cases of water.

I am selective - Last water outage was 2 months ago.
They typically don't last very long. That one was from 5am to 12 noon.
Went thru and checked water in all the cases.
Found 2 that had developed a small pinhole leak.
Used those 2 for toilet.
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2019, 01:47:37 PM »
I too have to agree with Ranger 99. Preparedness is much different than a "true" SHTF event.

The problem is, I have approached this several times on other forums, and they usually de-evolve into stupidity, and nonsense, from the "preppers" and the immature people who enjoy playing video games all day long, or those who feel real life is going to happen like it does in some silly movie, like "Mad Max".

Don't get me wrong, because I'm a huge fan of the "Mad Max" and "Road Warrior" movies and have been for many years. But there is huge distinction between real life and the fantasy of a movie, and sad to say, some can't make that distinction.

Ranger99's idea of collecting rain water to use to flush toilets, is one very excellent idea, (one I hadn't thought of either.) that is useful and very practical.

Here's one I'd like to propose. Power is out, and might be for say at least a week or so. You have a generator, but it's not big enough to run the entire house, so the stove, (assuming it's electric, like mine!) is out, and you have a pretty good store of various foods, canned and frozen and fresh. So what cooking alternatives are there that we could use, or improvise?

For myself, I have the BBQ smoker, and outside charcoal grille, and when the last hurricane hit, I did have my gas grille at that time that uses propane. It also had a separate burner to cook on as well.
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2019, 02:58:31 PM »
The definition of "SHTF" really depends upon the situation.

On the lesser side,
A loss of power is generally survivable in-place if it doesn't last too long, or the environmentals.

If it's major riots, anarchy and insurrection (1965 Watts riots, 1992 Rodney King in LA,  to current Venezuela to 2017 Brazil riots) , then it's time for Boomer and friends, food and water supplies, and a semi-self sustaining spread away from metro areas.

While we've seen looting after hurricanes in Houston and other larger cities, my guess is a riot in Texas wouldn't last very long...

The great news in the US is the number of independent law enforcement departments and 2nd amendment supporters is substantial enough that riots and anarchy generally don't bode well, and casulties are generally substantially less than SHTF events on other continents (except for Australia of course).

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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2019, 09:52:29 PM »
This thread reminds me to check and renew/update my bugout bags. Been somewhat complacent the last few years. I have one for each kid (not counting the 6 month old) and wife. Im sure the kids clothing are too small now.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2019, 01:35:55 PM »
. . . those who feel real life is going to happen like it does in some silly movie, like "Mad Max". . . .

oh it will happen eventually, although none of us reading any of this may
live long enough to see it happen.
i can say all the folks in apartment complexes and housing developments
with no space to grow food and raise livestock and can hear the neighbor's
toilet flush have way less chance of making it through than the guy that
has 40 some odd acres and a good gardening spot with room enough to
raise a half dozen animals to kill and eat.
i don't believe in the mall ninja/internet commando scenario of strapping
on all the "combat" apparel one has ordered online and standing off a horde
of roaming dopeheads that just invaded the housing development, or "sniping'
some guy you don't even know from 200 yards away either.
the day may come when you have to abandon ship and let them foul your
house and move on to the next place before you can return.

i do believe the guy that has the basic things in place to make it through
a severe tornado, or evacuation from a major chemical spill, keeps his
vehicle full of gas and in good running order, etc. will likely as not make it ok.
if you can grab up your emergency bag and jump in the car RIGHT NOW
and get out of dodge without having to spend 30-40 minutes gathering up
crap and calming the hysterical wife and kids and having to yell to get everyone loaded
up and gone, well you'll likely be ok
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2019, 01:57:22 PM »
. . . those who feel real life is going to happen like it does in some silly movie, like "Mad Max". . . .

oh it will happen eventually, although none of us reading any of this may
live long enough to see it happen.
i can say all the folks in apartment complexes and housing developments
with no space to grow food and raise livestock and can hear the neighbor's
toilet flush have way less chance of making it through than the guy that
has 40 some odd acres and a good gardening spot with room enough to
raise a half dozen animals to kill and eat.
i don't believe in the mall ninja/internet commando scenario of strapping
on all the "combat" apparel one has ordered online and standing off a horde
of roaming dopeheads that just invaded the housing development, or "sniping'
some guy you don't even know from 200 yards away either.
the day may come when you have to abandon ship and let them foul your
house and move on to the next place before you can return.

i do believe the guy that has the basic things in place to make it through
a severe tornado, or evacuation from a major chemical spill, keeps his
vehicle full of gas and in good running order, etc. will likely as not make it ok.
if you can grab up your emergency bag and jump in the car RIGHT NOW
and get out of dodge without having to spend 30-40 minutes gathering up
crap and calming the hysterical wife and kids and having to yell to get everyone loaded
up and gone, well you'll likely be ok

I agree Ranger99. I get a little giddy and get a huge chuckle from thse that say when "It" happens, they are bugging out for the woods! Do a little questioning of them such as, "Have you ever done any primitive camping or about a week or more?" or, "Have you even hunted in order to eat?"  and other various types of questions like that, and you just know they won't last more than a week after "It" happens!

And yes, those living further out in more rural areas, I agree would have a higher chance of surviving. Those that know how to grow a garden, hunt game, and are more self-sufficient, would more than likely have a higher chance of surviving.
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Re: SHTF Preparedness........
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2019, 01:50:43 PM »
we've already seen what all these out of control antifa and blm
protesters are capable of as far as wanton destruction and lawlessness.
then we have folks like our newest dallas county d.a. that is going
to let folks off if they are "stealing out of necessity" or criminally
trespassing or their theft is less than $750.00.
more or less de-criminalizing crime.

what is the saying ? a society is only three missed meals away from anarchy
(or something like that )
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2019, 03:14:06 PM »
we've already seen what all these out of control antifa and blm
protesters are capable of as far as wanton destruction and lawlessness.
then we have folks like our newest dallas county d.a. that is going
to let folks off if they are "stealing out of necessity" or criminally
trespassing or their theft is less than $750.00.
more or less de-criminalizing crime.

what is the saying ? a society is only three missed meals away from anarchy
(or something like that )

Or for many, just a couple of missed paychecks, could end up being the catalyst, if experienced on a big enough scale.

The Dallas County DA is an idiot. And I'll not mince words. He is playing a game that could end up having deadly results. A store the size of WalMart that is nationwide, and a huge corporation might be able to "absorb" those losses, but a smaller store that is maybe family owned, it could mean financial ruin in the DA not prosecuting those thefts. So smaller ran business, not being able to "absorb" those losses, they may end up taking matters into their own hands and dealing with these "shoplifters" with a 12 gauge shotgun.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2019, 05:07:55 PM »
During the Rodney King LA riots in '92 the merchants and store owners in Koreatown area took a little bit to realize that the police were not going to help and took matters onto their own hands. The following article is a great read about the types of firearms that were used and a couple of comments on the cost of some of them.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/04/luis-valdes/koreatown-twenty-six-years-ago-the-guns-of-the-l-a-riots/

I think that any SHTF scenario now would probably be met along the same lines. Armed citizens banding together to protect life and property.
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2019, 11:24:28 AM »
just me, if i were the "king" of walmart and had the last word,
if there got to be enough shoplifting with no consequence from
the local p.t.b.  i'd be shutting down those problem stores a.s.a.p.

somehow or another this notion that one can justify theft under
adverse circumstances got widely spread around. if things got bad
and all these folks that talk about ". . .i'd just kill me some rancher's
cow. they have enough, and i would need to feed my family. . "
wouldn't be doing their family much good laying out in that farmer's
pasture with 5 extra holes in their carcass that weren't there at birth.
it's alarming to me that all these folks on yoofloob talk about burglary
techniques and stealing livestock and "sniping" someone 300 yards
away that can't see them and may just be some innocent guy trying
to reunite with his own family from his distant workplace.

you houston folks should remember all these folks during the hurricanes
back when they were stealing and saying that they didn't have any i.d.
anymore and such and carjacking on IH45 and IH10 after their old jalopy
broke down and such.
i had a friend between baytown and houston that could tell plenty of horror stories.
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