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Re: Mandatory Military Service?
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2019, 10:34:22 PM »
I know this is slightly off topic but can we stop using terms like “Libtard” and “Regpugnantan”? It makes people look moronic and dehumanizes the other side making them not worthy of basic human decency not to mention that it shows a lack of Grace.

 

Axxe55, when you said 'welfare and the social programs, are pretty much enslaving people, without them even knowing it's happening' were you referring to what's commonly known as the Social Safety Net? Which includes things like the right to basic healthcare, education, unemployment benefits, legal aid, victims' rights, social security, workers compensation, consumer protection, and homeless shelters? Because I happen to believe these are not only necessary but incredibly beneficial to society as a whole. Sadly, they're being underfunded/defunded, politicized to death and picked apart by politicians and corporate lobbyists to name but two groups attacking them. And like you, I also believe that anyone seeking welfare benefits like financial assistance, subsidized housing and food benefits should be drug tested.

Grace ain't this conversation. Just saying.

I think my meaning of welfare and social programs is well clear if you care to read my previous replies to this thread. I am referring to the scum who suck off the government dole at the expense of the hard-working tax-payers who support their lazy butts. deadbeats that could be working but are too lazy to get off their dead butts and do so, and that would rather subsist on welfare rather than actually working for their way in life and would rather others support them.

I think if you do read my previous replies, my intentions and meaning would be quite clear so you would not have to question what i meant.
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« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2019, 10:38:55 PM »
Yeah. Nice 1st post newb.

How about YOU stop bundling programs like social security , unemployment benefits, and such into the same categorys like welfare, and the Free taxpayer handouts to reliefers and deadbeats

Unlike ALOT of deadbeats that are sucking SS dry for SSD that NEVER PAID A DIME IN,, people like me paid into SS for 45 years. Which meant I also paid into unemployment for 45 years.

Those programs were PAID FOR BY WORKING PEOPLE.
THEY ARE NOT A HANDOUT.

The fact dead beats who never paid a dime in can now get those benefits  was quite simply a LIBTARD idea since they already had welfare broke. They are robbing those blind who PAY THE BILLS, to ass kiss their voting base.

Just because a bunch of crooked politicians figured out a way to get their free loading base onto Social security disability does Not make social seurity a free handout. WE PAID FOR IT.
And by rights, it should belong to those that paid it only.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service?
« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2019, 10:46:52 PM »
Amen DCD, amen.  :th_thicon_idea:

I worked and paid into Social Security and Unemployment for over forty years. I earned that money for my retirement. I paid in to it, from every paycheck.

And it makes me very angry that deadbeats who have never paid one dime into Social Security, can draw benefits from it. They are taking money out of my pocket to fund lazy, scum-sucking deadbeats because the liberal Democrat politicians want to broaden their voting blocks. At my expense.  :bangheadonwall: :thumbsdown:

So Mr. RealityCheck, if that is what YOU meant, then it's quite clear where you stand, and what you believe in.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service?
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2019, 02:38:54 AM »
Axxe55
Grace is in every conversation and action of every day. Without it, you can justify things like real slavery and the Holocaust because those people aren't really people at all they just look and sound like they are. Just saying.

I did read your replies along with the rest of the thread and I still had to ask.

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Social Security, unemployment benefits, etc. are PART of the welfare system the same as subsidized housing and financial assistance whether YOU like it or not. Wishful thinking won't change it.

And as far as I'm concerned you shouldn't be allowed access to social security UNLESS you have paid into it. The only exceptions would be things like claiming death benefits. As for the financial assistance and subsidized housing programs are concerned, I think you should have to prove that you not only qualify for them but you should also be randomly checked in on to make sure you're not gaming the system as well as random drug screening.

And just so you all know, my family has a proud military history going back to to the early 1900's. I have lived on or around military bases my whole life and was denied active service on medical grounds. I was holding down a job before I was in high school and I've been sitting on my SSD paperwork for the last twenty years and will continue to sit on it until I HAVE to use my cane more than just occasionally or my AVM robs me of the use of my hand.

Now, how about everyone stow their rude condescending attitudes so we can have a CIVILIZED conversation like actual adults instead of acting like grade school children.

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« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2019, 10:54:19 AM »
Axxe55
Grace is in every conversation and action of every day. Without it, you can justify things like real slavery and the Holocaust because those people aren't really people at all they just look and sound like they are. Just saying.

DCD327
Social Security, unemployment benefits, etc. are PART of the welfare system the same as subsidized housing and financial assistance whether YOU like it or not. Wishful thinking won't change it.

Now, how about everyone stow their rude condescending attitudes so we can have a CIVILIZED conversation like actual adults instead of acting like grade school children.

Mr. RealityCheck, as I said, Grace ain't part of this discussion or conversation. And furthermore, we aren't talking about slavery, or the Holocaust either, since neither has anything to do with the discussed subject, unless you are referring to Mr. Skolnick and his ideas of slavery.

And think whatever you wish, but Social Security benefits and Unemployment are NOT part of the welfare system, regardless of whether the politicians use it as such, and hand it out to the scum-sucking deadbeats that have never paid into either of them.

I find it quite funny in an ironic way, you waltz in here as new guy with only two posts, and proceed to tell other members here to act "civilized" when by all intents, your first post on this forum was in this thread, trying to inflame some of the members. I smell a liberal socialist Democratic troll among us here! Here's a bit of reality check for you Mr. RealityCheck. You might want to dial down telling other people to act "civilized" being the new guy with an attitude, because I predict, I doubt you will exceed 10 posts on this forum before being bounced!

Just some free advice, and an observation on my part. Trust me Mr. RealityCheck, I'm being CIVILIZED!
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Re: Mandatory Military Service?
« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2019, 02:38:09 PM »
Have to agree with you AXXE and DCD. Somone that hasn't introduced themself or established their bona fides on this forum starting his first post with demands that forum members stop using certain euphemisms that offend him certainly shouldn't be surprised that community welcome wagon is slow to come out.

Realitycheck here's a clue for you. At the top of Texas Gun Forum front page there is a topic bar that has "Getting Started" printed on it. Beneath that bar is an "Introduce Yourself" thread. Why don't you back up and do what all previous members have done and use that thread for introductions and telling us a little about yourself. This a forum for firearm enthusiasts so you may add something about what type of firearms you have or want.
To be blunt your demeanor so far leave's a lot to be desired. Jumping into a conversation with both feet without as much as a bye your leave shows a lack of respect for the members involved. Some of us on this forum have been talking to each other for years. There is a small core of posters here that communicate regularly and have met and gone to the range and engaged in a singular type of behavior we all have in common. Putting rounds down range.

We are a diverse group here, truck drivers, tech guys, farmers, retired cops and law enforcement types, aviators, young guys still finding here way in life, military veterans and retired old curmudgeons like me. We welcome all newcomers so why not just hit the restart button and just roll with the flow. Just remember standards, protocol, respect and a sense of humor can go a long way.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service?
« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2019, 03:28:02 PM »
Amen Alte Schule, and well said. Even the members I don't necessarily agree with on their viewpoints, because they have been here longer than myself and treat me with respect, I treat them with respect as well.

One thing I learned growing up, respect is earned, but it's also a two-way street. You have to give respect in order to deserve receiving it in return.

Mr. Schule gave you some really good advice, and I would highly suggest you take it to heart and heed it if you plan on staying around for any length of time. One of the very first posts I ever make on any new forum is an introduction, to give a small snap-shot of who I am to let the members sort of get to know me a little bit.

Again, great post Mr. Schule.  :th_thicon_idea:
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« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2019, 05:41:47 PM »
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Social Security, unemployment benefits, etc. are PART of the welfare system the same as subsidized housing and financial assistance whether YOU like it or not. Wishful thinking won't change it.

(my highlights above)

Not true at all. 

Social Security is an insurance program, not a Welfare program. Your wishful thinking won't change reality.

Technically, Social Security is the Federal "Old-Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance (OASDI)" program.  It's Insurance, not welfare.
 
"social security", not capitalized, is often a misused term to indicate all types of social support programs, a trap for some who misunderstand the program. 

You pay into an insurance program / policy like Social Security as a risk mitigator.  You do not pay into welfare, regardless of your perceived risk / no risk.

This point is addressed on the Social Security website.  You might want to go read it before your next post.




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« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2019, 02:11:09 PM »
I guess Mr. Realitycheck isn't going to "grace" us with any more of his pearls of wisdom!  :th_thicon_lol:
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« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2019, 06:44:53 PM »
I guess Mr. Realitycheck isn't going to "grace" us with any more of his pearls of wisdom!  :th_thicon_lol:

Few trolls with BS for brains do.   :scream3:
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« Reply #70 on: May 15, 2019, 06:48:19 PM »
I guess Mr. Realitycheck isn't going to "grace" us with any more of his pearls of wisdom!  :th_thicon_lol:

Few trolls with BS for brains do.   :scream3:

Just curious, who is the resident troll here? Most forums usually have a resident troll!  :wave1:
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« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2019, 07:02:06 PM »

Just curious, who is the resident troll here? Most forums usually have a resident troll!  :wave1:

Not sure we have one, but you're right, many forums do.  We seem to attract a passing troll every month or two but like skolnick and realitycheck, they usually keep moving on after a few unsuccessful BS posts.
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« Reply #72 on: May 15, 2019, 07:58:57 PM »
I guess Mr. Realitycheck isn't going to "grace" us with any more of his pearls of wisdom!  :th_thicon_lol:

Few trolls with BS for brains do.   :scream3:

Just curious, who is the resident troll here? Most forums usually have a resident troll!  :wave1:

It's Tango. :th_thicon_idea: For some reason he speaks whats on his mind and doesn't care what other forum members think. And rolling up hard at 2nd is AXXE 55. You know, come to think of it, there's four or five of you out there that are suspect. I'll be watching you TXAZ and DCD327, 308 Nato :th_thicon_lol: :thumbsup1: :th_thicon_lol: :thumbsup1:


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« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2019, 08:19:00 PM »
I guess Mr. Realitycheck isn't going to "grace" us with any more of his pearls of wisdom!  :th_thicon_lol:

Few trolls with BS for brains do.   :scream3:

Just curious, who is the resident troll here? Most forums usually have a resident troll!  :wave1:

It's Tango. :th_thicon_idea: For some reason he speaks whats on his mind and doesn't care what other forum members think. And rolling up hard at 2nd is AXXE 55. You know, come to think of it, there's four or five of you out there that are suspect. I'll be watching you TXAZ and DCD327..  :th_thicon_lol: :thumbsup1: :th_thicon_lol: :thumbsup1:

Actually TXAZ found out about my little secret!  :icon_redface:


You mean you're not the same AXXXE as is on HotTexasPornStars.com?


I'm so embarrassed! So I'll have to step aside for some one else to be the resident troll! I nominate DCD!  :rocknroll2:

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« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2019, 08:19:49 PM »
I guess Mr. Realitycheck isn't going to "grace" us with any more of his pearls of wisdom!  :th_thicon_lol:

Few trolls with BS for brains do.   :scream3:

Just curious, who is the resident troll here? Most forums usually have a resident troll!  :wave1:

It's Tango. :th_thicon_idea: For some reason he speaks whats on his mind and doesn't care what other forum members think. And rolling up hard at 2nd is AXXE 55. You know, come to think of it, there's four or five of you out there that are suspect. I'll be watching you TXAZ and DCD327..  :th_thicon_lol: :thumbsup1: :th_thicon_lol: :thumbsup1:




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« Reply #75 on: May 15, 2019, 08:23:27 PM »
On second thought, maybe Nato needs a nomination for resident forum troll too!  :wave1:
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« Reply #76 on: May 15, 2019, 08:28:38 PM »
I just took care of that.
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« Reply #77 on: May 15, 2019, 09:31:49 PM »
In more then 40+ years of Uniformed Government Service (4 Navy, 26 Coast Guard, and 10-1/2 years as a Customs and Border Protection Officer); I have come to the conclusion that not everyone is suited for military service; and that includes people currently in uniform.

When I first joined the Navy in 1970 I knew of people who were given a "deal" by a local judge: join the military and head off to bootcamp in a week and the charges would be "dropped."  Many of them turned into good sailors, soldiers, airman, marines, and some Coasties.  There were this too who didn't make it - either ending up in the Stockade or prison.

If it were up to me I would enact a program that requires mandatory government service either in the military or civil service.  Those opting for civil service will be tested; and base on their aptitude, receive specific training in one of the construction arts including carpentry, plumbing, electrician, etc.  They would receive basic apprentice training, then go to work.  Like the military; if one wants additional training (say a welder wanting advanced welding training they would have to obligate to serve more time.  Eventually they would become fully skilled and able to either continue their government position or they would have a good chance of landing a skilled laborer's job.  What a better way to fix our failing infrastructure....

As with the military there would be promotions with pay raises based on their skills.

Between military service or skilled laborer jobs it would be a win win!

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« Reply #78 on: May 15, 2019, 09:47:39 PM »


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If it were up to me I would enact a program that requires mandatory government service either in the military or civil service.  Those opting for civil service will be tested; and base on their aptitude, receive specific training in one of the construction arts including carpentry, plumbing, electrician, etc.  They would receive basic apprentice training, then go to work.  Like the military; if one wants additional training (say a welder wanting advanced welding training they would have to obligate to serve more time.  Eventually they would become fully skilled and able to either continue their government position or they would have a good chance of landing a skilled laborer's job.  What a better way to fix our failing infrastructure....

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I absolutely agree.  It also teaches service to others and country.  No deferments, maybe it's like Israel, only 1 year basic requirement.  Want to go to college / trade school / ??? but don't have money, here's your chance to get a "GI Bill-like" degree for virtually no cost.

Sign me up. (again :)  )
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