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Re: ..I'm sad for our Military..
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2018, 07:34:13 PM »
TXAZ,

In other words, you don't believe my Army buddy, who was actually IN the hunt for OBL for years with USASF, DF & the  Rangers??
(Staying a few days in any one place & then going somewhere else for a few days & repeating that pattern for years isn't "living at a fixed address". = PROBABLY, according to Jerry, the nearest thing to a "home" that OBL had was in Pakistan, where he was caught/killed.)

What is your source for your information??

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Re: ..I'm sad for our Military..
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2018, 08:05:10 PM »
Read my last line. 

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2018, 08:57:04 PM »
TXAZ,

Once more, what is your factual source?? = The network TV "news" perhaps??

Reference your last line: IF anything, OBL was "homeless" for 10 years. Jerry says that there is "little or no doubt" that: We didn't find Bin Laden in Afghanistan because he was seldom there.

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2018, 09:10:39 PM »
TXAZ,

Once more, what is your factual source?? = The network TV "news" perhaps??

Reference your last line: IF anything, OBL was "homeless" for 10 years. Jerry says that there is "little or no doubt" that: We didn't find Bin Laden in Afghanistan because he was seldom there.

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Re: ..I'm sad for our Military..
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2018, 09:31:28 PM »
TXAZ,

Would you care to translate for everyone, who doesn't read that.

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2018, 10:13:57 PM »
I'm confident my sources are solid, I lived over there and understood the language, and dealt with people who had ground truth.
So yea, I don't believe your Army buddy.

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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2018, 10:26:25 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2018, 10:40:13 PM »
TXAZ,

In other words you have NO factual sources??

Fwiw, absent documented facts, I'll continue to believe Jerry, whose friends up at The Mountain Ranger Camp at Dahlonega  call "The Man-hunter" &  who has forgotten more than most people will ever learn about SPECOPS, "behind the lines" & counter-guerrilla operations.

You otoh, may choose to believe ANYTHING, including that the Earth is flat. = That's called: FREEDOM of thought.

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2018, 10:46:48 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2018, 10:56:16 PM »
You know not of what you speak satx.
And wrong. Again.

My sources:
First hand from:
MOI.
GIP.
ISI.
TRD.

And a few others you haven’t heard of and a few you heard on the news.  :) 
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Re: ..I'm sad for our Military..
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2018, 11:52:02 PM »
The important thing is that turkey is dead, and I think we can all agree on that, right?

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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2018, 11:58:55 PM »
TXAZ,

Inasmuch as I've not been there & Jerry chased OBL all over the world for years, I'll continue to trust his "on the ground knowledge", given that I've known him since my days at ASTD at the Infantry School in 1973 &  have never known him to be WRONG and/or lie about such things.

My personal knowledge, such as it is, is primarily from chasing Narcotrafficantes from/in Latin America, so I do NOT claim to know about things that I don't & cannot know.

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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2018, 08:57:04 AM »
The important thing is that turkey is dead, and I think we can all agree on that, right?
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2018, 08:58:49 AM »
Nice switch of the topics sat.  The question was did he ever live in Afghanistan.  Clearly the answer is yes.  Ask any of the agencies listed, and a few others.  Plus NYT and others who did interviews with him there.

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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2018, 10:25:31 AM »
TXAZ,

NOT a switch of topic at all but rather a truthful statement that I never served (or even visited)  Afghanistan, so all that I know about the subject is 2nd hand.

Nonetheless, I not only believe Jerry is correct but find it "somewhat odd" that none pof literally hundreds of highly trained US & allied SPEC OPS personnel ever found any sign of OBL other than he  "had once stayed  in" many places over those years & was actually only found to be  resident in  ONE place in that decade. = Pakistan.
(IF a person was to spend on night to a couple of weeks at hotels in all 50 States and in any number of foreign nations, he cannot be said to be a resident of ANY or all of those many locations.)

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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2018, 11:44:26 AM »
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who was it that said "the Falklands war was like 2 bald men fighting over a comb"  (rhetorical)

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Re: ..I'm sad for our Military..
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2018, 07:03:50 PM »
Said I wouldn't reply to this thread but................
When I was involved in the SE Asian conflict, I got there all Gung Ho, let's whip their asses!! Didn't take too long to see what was really going on. My second mission, we got ambushed right after rounding a bend in the Mekong and I got us turned around and back around the bend where I proceeded to radio the area bird dog for help. He did his job and directed 2  A-6 Intruder's to saturate the area with bombs and napalm. Then 2 A-1 Sandies strafed the area for 10 minutes! In about 3 days I was called into my Commander's office and was given a letter of reprimand for calling for aerial support! It was stated in the letter how much taxpayers money I caused to be spent on bombs,napalm and ammunition! Was cautioned to Only call for air support under "Dire circumstances"!  Turned out, Wasn't the last Letter I received in 16 months. I'm thinking we have at least 2 carrier groups less that 20 minutes away, plus a few airfields with aircraft that can do the job. Why not Use them??
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« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2018, 08:19:00 PM »
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1st, WELCOME HOME.

Also, I think all of those who served in THE MESS know how screwed up things could be back then.
In another place & time, long ago, our crowd was told that we were spending too much money doing what we had been directed to do by the same HQ & SES official, who was admonishing us for "wasting money".
(In case you are curious about how much "too much money" was, it was about 5.000.ooUSD to run the whole operation. - At the same time & <50 clicks away, a "hearts & minds" project, run by the DoS,  spent over 200,000.ooUSD & accomplished NOTHING, as far as any of us could see.= The DoS civilian "leaders" were LAUDED for their "magnificent work in promoting US interests".)

Whoever said that life "was supposed to be fair" hasn't been in some of the OCONUS deals, where "politics" & "lining the right pockets" trumps what really was required to accomplish the mission.
(That said, nonetheless it still bothers me when an ex-GI fails to lay the blame for "not winning" where it truly belongs about 99.99% of the time: In the lap of "the civilian leadership", who wouldn't let us win.)

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