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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2015, 08:04:49 PM »
I love the one with the wood stock , it looks fabulous. :th_thicon_idea:
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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2015, 10:07:16 PM »
It is a L/H stock,  they can get  right hand thumbhole also, it is for sale/

Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields.
On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down
and shape it so  debth of the pocket matches bottom section of
weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight.
Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep sight
like a compact UTG sight...



If we have a welded up Enfield rear bridge, then we can use sight
like on this gun a guy is doing. Has a rosewood laminate stock.
He will have it checkered,  sanded,  with fancy finish.



Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
a guy in Canada.  Its straight back,  high comb
stock, handles recoil great... Ed




More about 585 BB short case for lever guns, pistols,AR Uppers,
Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70.
One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel,
to simulate pistol  recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case
that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet
Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
Or rolling block rifles and  pistols....Ed

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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2015, 08:02:33 PM »
Here is a picture from the back,  of a big Lawton action that
our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered
for long range shooting.



Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our
585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with.
He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup first for the 375.





In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums site. Ed



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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2015, 08:33:39 PM »
Hows the sholder after that shot? LOL
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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2016, 04:01:18 AM »
That wasn't me shooting and as far as I know didn't bother him much

as he shoots big bores all the time.  That is a nice double he has. Ed

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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2016, 01:19:49 PM »
A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming a recoilapheliac''..
That is neat term , and very glad  that folks are catching the big bore fever.

Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the rear sporterized
bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges also.Including shotguns.
 I like peep sights the best for most shooting. They also come with flat
bottoms also for bridges and receivers that are flat on top.



Another picture of the 585 HE one of our guys  put in the MPI stock..



Here is another pic of our guys 24ga FH in the NEF




On straight sided cases  like our 585 HE the die set has a mouth expander
die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the mouth, but I always
felt that doing what is really a relative relatively sharp flare, and then the slight
roll crimping the same area of the case into a groove on the
bullet or slug, shortens case life.

So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand, using just the bottom of
of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble it around a small
amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good for dozens of loads,
with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few seconds and less
work that has to be done in the press ... Ed




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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2016, 05:42:06 AM »
Holy freakin crap, that's a big round
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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2016, 04:31:46 AM »
Here is picture of a hard plastic molded shotgun case, holding
a slug, without crimping, a company is experimenting with.
This one with light slug supposed to do over 2000 fps.




Here is  video by Corlanes Sporting,  Dawson Creek, BC, CAN.
Known as,  Rocky Mtn Rifles,  video on Youtube of them testing our
585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy. They are
shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..



 Allan and Grant Swan in Australia are building 585HE for a guy,
the second they built. First one killed the buff pictured earlier .
AHR and Vestals will make folks here in US a 585 HE.
Here is another view of a Lawton action big enough for  585HE..




Here is picture of Rossi SS with 585 barrel mono-blocked  into it,
chambered for our 585 BB  2.17" case, to do testing in a light rifle
with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols. Others going to
put case in leverguns,  autoloaders. We got plenty of cases Ed



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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2016, 01:15:44 PM »


The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest,  that we
we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
in them like .585" bore for 585HE  and  24ga FH.. One that is close
that we have, is the Magtech.

 Well the guys have  found one that is super strong lockup and  looks
real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
soon  be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH,  the little brother of the 585HE.

We told company if they did them with NEF style, rifled, heavy slug barrel,
for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.




Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that  Bret and Darrel in Minn
set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed



Here is picture from the rear of the Enfield we mounted the short Weaver
rail piece on. It is mounted in the sight pocket that the actions have;
Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight like UTG makes.. Ed



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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2016, 10:30:36 PM »
We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
Kind of a neat suppressor,




Here is folder shotgun guys set up as 24ga FH.




Here is another  view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.




Here is picture of a  585HE  MRC PH a guy set up..




Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc,
 with a variety of bullets..Ed



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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2016, 11:48:48 AM »
Would love to shoot one of those rifles , I guess the recoil could'nt be any worse than my M44 mosin LOL.
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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2016, 01:25:01 PM »
Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.



Here is old  catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases



Here is picture of a MN  a guy is  doing 585HE in..
It is singleshot. Redid  bolt handle mounted it on the bolt
further bac, so the port could be lengthened  for our long case.
Needs polishing and blueing, scope rail added.



Here is another picture of the   585HE  with great looking stock.
Nice looking wood. Ed


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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2016, 04:54:08 AM »
There are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with
locking on plastic bases securely on slugs.
Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores.

Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.




Here  is another view of  the great camo job on the
585HE Enfield,  a top view.  Ed



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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2016, 02:04:54 AM »
Here is a helix driver seal we made by cutting base from helix driver

wadcup, good for fullbore roundballs that are too big to go in cup.

Best one to cut off is shortest `12ga  one BPI has.


 



Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.

It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading,

by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a

Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported

the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us,  through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB.


 



That action similar to  Lawton we had and neighbor got,  that won the King Of The

2 Mile shoot at Whittington,  with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,

 from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right.

He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..

Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED




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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2016, 05:38:05 AM »
Fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, has worked with

Bertram and got the  run of  full length  12ga From Hell cases done.

 Drawn 12ga long cases as strong as BMG brass with unbreakable rims.

Any wanting to get some, contact Bertram at the email -----   

 b.bertram1@bigpond.com    ......





Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal.......

 .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets.

Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,

 Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms

 muzzle brake. Lawton  Action. Lethal Precision  his own  gunsmith  shop,  will make

these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting..


Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target,

a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit.

The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid performed great, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).






Here is  585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy  Varmint Stock. These are super strong.

The  butts of these can easily be weighted.  Couple guys doing them.......  Ed










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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2016, 07:58:38 PM »
The target was 1.4 miles away, man that is 0ne awesome rifle.
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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2016, 05:26:58 AM »
Here is a picture of the 12ga FH brass case that Nathan

Vale had Bertrams make. Next to short plastic case.




Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering

for our case as it came from production line,.




 I like Hogue stocks,  but they aren't made for singleshots.

We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and  585HE.

Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we adapted

a Hogue  1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better, and

handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to add weight,





Here is picture of  585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the wildcat

375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also. Ed




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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2017, 02:47:54 PM »
Our friend Brian from the far north went to Africa with his 24ga FH he did in
a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. Good job.


Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book
published  in Oct, now out for sale,




We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made  by necking down our 585 HE.
The others couldn't make enough 375s, so we started our own. It has different
shoulder taper, length, neck length, improved over the others...Got a bunch
guys doing it, most into the 2 mile shooting venues, We're making cases,
testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting guys going. The 2 mile
shoot last year really got the interest booming for  375 necked from our case,

Here's how, size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1" die, no huge dies needed
A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
 pass on to the next guy, one reamer can make whole bunch of dies for folks.

I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.

When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
 held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck... IE
the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.

So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,

Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff  same thread,
 reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up,

After priming, loading in the powder charge, we  carefully start(boat tail makes it easy)
 bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
 perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items.

These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special  dies.
Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

OVER 900 375HE  cases piled behind presses getting done. About 600 on another
 bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.

All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide,
for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed



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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2017, 03:42:07 PM »
hubel585,

WELCOME ABOARD.

As a  "Cape-Gun addict", I'm wondering if your firm has remodeled a SxS double-barrel shotgun  into a Cape-Gun by rifling one barrel & installing appropriate sights.

I would think that a quality & properly converted 20-bore magnum or a 16-bore shotgun would be quite suitable for hunting several sorts of big game Worldwide??

yours, satx
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Re: The New 585HE, Info-
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2017, 04:09:29 AM »
No we haven't others have done and are working on those. like hot loaded brass cases

Here is picture of  one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada got in

Africa with  our 24ga FH he did on a NEF,  in 2nd picture








Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for the top that

are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind

from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600  on

another bench, mostly done, and 600 started elsewhere,

We  also made a hydraulic form die, 375 HE test gun, starting with

lighter bullets, for example got 340 gr to 3700,

Will test up to 400gr We will find top speeds and powders needed

to get that, and have info where to get powders.  Reamer prints are

at reamer guys, all prints and info is public domain... Ed