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Bullet Size Does Matter!
« on: April 01, 2019, 10:50:15 AM »
I read through part of this article. Clearly written by an idiot that knows nothing about guns, or probably criminals who use guns for that matter. The study they conducted, is so far out in left field, that it's pure nonsense.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/27/upshot/deadly-bullets-guns.html
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Re: Bullet Size Does Matter!
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2019, 04:58:04 PM »
The article’s viewpoint is only through the lens of the criminal. What about to the person that is using their weapon for defense? I think killing the bad guy is better than wounding him. Criminal gets smaller sentence (b/c you shot him before he could commit more crimes) and comes back to kill you when he is released. I’ll keep carrying my 9mm and .40 thank you.
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Re: Bullet Size Does Matter!
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2019, 06:23:34 PM »
I normally would expect ANYTHING from the ny times to be skewered so bad, probably written by idiots, and  not worth the read. Because of their HUGE bias,, their "DATA" is mostly laughable.   But I did browse through it.
 
At the end of the day, here is where Im at with all these caliber debates.

A. Fast is fine,, but ACCURACY is everything,,,, :th_thicon_idea:

B. Dont really matter it its a .22 or a .45.

C. If you CANT hit it,, it dont matter.

D. If you cant hit it WHERE you NEED to hit it,,, it may NOT  matter either.
 

Both a well place round from a .22 mag or a .45 will drop a guy like a bad habit.

Even with their own data, it appears caliber dont matter much as ALL the caliber graphs they show, seem to have about a 50% fatality rate if shot.
What is clear, ( IF their graphs and data is correct )  is that people are getting shot much MORE by 9mm. The 9mm fatality rate is still only about 50%, same as a 22 or 45.

I prefer to carry,,

1. It has to be 100% reliable.
2. Something I can LEGALLY conceal, with out much printing, as my state does not even have printing laws, but I prefer to STAY low profile.
3. The largest caliber that fits # 1 and 2. . 
4. The largest caliber I can EFFECTIVELY shoot and maintain EXCELLENT accuracy.
5. It must be the best choice AND fit FOR ME,, that meets  ALL parameters from 1 to 4.

MY best EDC choice at this point in MY life is currently a CZ PCR 9mm. I also have a CZ 75 BD  full size. Which I also conceal carry when in my rural area, printing is not a concern.

But some people BEST choice might be a Ruger  LCR 22 mag,, or even a 22 lr.

If I was in Montana, I WOULDNT carry anything SMALLER than a .45, and then it would probably be with +p ammo. ( BEARS)

They were correct about one thing. AMMO has come a long way in the past 40 years.
The 22 ammo we used in 1970 is a far cry from whats available NOW in "lethal" terms.

ANYTHING is better than nothing. And, you STILL need to be able to hit what you need to hit regardless of WHAT caliber it is.  So go with WHAT WORKS for YOU.

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Re: Bullet Size Does Matter!
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2019, 12:59:08 AM »
Many articles I have read on the subject, conclude that there are two things that truly stop a man in his tracks when shot, either rapid and massive blood loss, or shutting down the central nervous system of the person.

In theory, almost any bullet could achieve those results. People even like to spout off that more people are "killed" with a 22 than any other bullet caliber. Okay, let's dissect that for a moment, and lets say it's true. But did they die at the time they were shot, at the scene? Doubtful from what I have read in the past on that particular instances. Many died later. My conclusion? Well maybe more people do die from being shot with a 22, but in a self-defense shooting incident, and they die days later doesn't bode well with me, because to me, they would still be functioning and therefor still a dangerous threat to my health and well-being.

Personally, I think a person should carry the largest caliber that can shoot well and accurately. How large is large enough? That is IMO largely dependent upon the individual. Also I believe that accurate shot placement trump caliber size and capacity every day of the week in any self-defense scenario.
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