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« on: February 12, 2019, 05:46:54 PM »
how many of you would use a MOSSBERG SHOCKWAVE -for home defense like me ?

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2019, 07:20:04 PM »
Never been much of a shotgun guy. I own more guns than I can count but I have only 2 shotguns, and the last time I shot my Remington shotgun was over 20 years ago. I use a handgun for self and home defense.
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2019, 08:08:08 PM »
If I was gonna rely on a shotgun for home defense, it would be one with a regular stock, IMHO

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2019, 09:32:14 PM »
If I was going to do so, I would file for an SBS stamp and toss a normal stock on it.
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2019, 09:35:09 AM »
If you are going to use a shotgun for home defense, you will need a good pair of earplugs

Shooting a shotgun indoors can be very hard on the ears without protection


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Re: Home defense
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2019, 09:49:21 AM »
If you are going to use a shotgun for home defense, you will need a good pair of earplugs

Shooting a shotgun indoors can be very hard on the ears without protection

Yea. I cannot shoot one anymore due to my neck, but before that - this was one reason I always avoided getting one for home defense.

9mm is loud enough inside.

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2019, 12:09:01 PM »
I have a 20 gauge Shockwave that is part of my home defense "package".

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 12:18:38 PM »
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I use a long gun and a hand gun as HD weapons - not a Shockwave but close - it's my 20ga Mossberg "Camper" - 18.5" with pistol grip (which I like mucho)

the shotgun is rotated with my AR15 and the Beretta Cx4 Storm 9mm as my choice for a HD long gun

ANY FIREARM shot inside the house is gonna do a (bad) number on your hearing (exception :  silenced firearms) - not just a shotgun (shakes head/rolls eyes)

nothin' wrong with your choice for a HD weapon

and.....I'm not understanding the requirement of having a shoulder stock on a HD shotgun (that some have mentioned here)



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Re: Home defense
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 02:33:10 PM »
My 1st shotgun was a 12 gauge pistol grip - bought in the late 1990s. I took it to the range and fired it many times with the pistol grip. ONE time. After that 1st range trip, I went and bought a stock, and put it on the gun. Never shot a pistol grip 12 gauge again, and never will.

And, I never shot buckshot thru it - I can only imagine how that would feel with a pistol grip.

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 03:52:42 PM »
My 1st shotgun was a 12 gauge pistol grip - bought in the late 1990s. I took it to the range and fired it many times with the pistol grip. ONE time. After that 1st range trip, I went and bought a stock, and put it on the gun. Never shot a pistol grip 12 gauge again, and never will.

And, I never shot buckshot thru it - I can only imagine how that would feel with a pistol grip.

as we know, the OP was about a 20ga Shockwave, as is my Mossberg, so having no experience with a pistol-gripped 12ga I can't comment

the whole idea of a pistol grip/pistol-type grip on a HD shotgun is, in my opinion, for ease of maneuvering in the confines of a hallway/or for shooting around a bed/desk/chain which, again IMO, a shoulder stock might/probably would limit that ability - shoulder stock on a shotgun in the field - you betcha, but not in the house - and as far as a 20ga being "suitable" for a HD weapon.....yes, emphatically, it is

as far as the loudness of shooting firearms and the requirement for "ya better have ear plugs" goes.....I found this on another forum - don't know the validity of the numbers, but it's showing an interesting comparison between a 9mm pistol and a 20ga shotgun (albeit with a 22" barrel).... :

SHOTGUN NOISE DATA (DECIBEL AVERAGES)

.410 Bore 28" barrel   150dB
               26" barrel   150.25dB
               18 " barrel   156.30dB
20 Gauge 28" barrel   152.50dB
               22" barrel   154.75dB
12 Gauge 28" barrel   151.50dB
               26" barrel   156.10dB
               18 " barrel   161.50dB

CENTERFIRE RIFLE DATA

.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18 " barrel   155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel   155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel   156.0dB
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel   157.5dB
.308 in 24" barrel   156.2dB
.30-06 in 24" barrel   158.5dB
.30-06 in 18 " barrel   163.2dB
.375 18" barrel with muzzle brake   170 dB

CENTERFIRE PISTOL DATA

.25 ACP   155.0 dB
.32 LONG   152.4 dB
.32 ACP          153.5 dB
.380                  157.7 dB
9mm            159.8 dB
.38 S&W          153.5 dB
.38 Spl          156.3 dB
.357 Magnum    164.3 dB
.41 Magnum   163.2 dB
.44 Spl           155.9 dB
.45 ACP           157.0 dB
.45 COLT           154.7 dB
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2019, 06:05:02 PM »
Kinda looks looks like any gun you shoot inside is going to cause about the same amount of hearing damage, so you might as well use whatever you feel the most confident with. For me it will be the first loaded weapon I can get my hands on. If I have any extra time I will be more selective or grab two.
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2019, 06:32:54 PM »
Kinda looks looks like any gun you shoot inside is going to cause about the same amount of hearing damage, so you might as well use whatever you feel the most confident with..

I agree
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2019, 08:59:59 PM »
Boomer is about 172-175 dB unsuppressed, depending on ammo and round.
Suppressed about 30 dB quieter but as painful as you’ve probably never experienced. 
There are some bolt .50 that significantly louder on the range, likely another 3 dB over Boomer.

Walking up on the firing line in an open space becomes painful at about 30 yards with no hearing protection, and at 10 yards without double hearing protection.


 (Some of the faster burning powders pushing 800+ grain projectiles in bolts are painful nearby even with double hearing protection.)
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2019, 09:37:33 PM »
I have shot a 9mm without hearing protection inside once. It really was not that bad.

I have also heard a shotgun being fired at an indoor range before - WITH hearing protection on. It IS louder than a 9mm handgun.

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2019, 01:22:11 AM »
Years ago, I bought a pistol gripped  Mossberg 500 for home defense. Very soon that thing was traded off. That is one shotgun, had I been able to test one before buying, I would never have bought in the first place. Now some people have them and swear by them, but for myself, I'll stick with a regular stocked shotgun for home defensive purposes from now on. My current ones are the Winchester SXP Defender with the 18.5" barrel, and a Mossberg 500 with a 20" barrel.
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2019, 05:37:56 AM »
I have shot a 9mm without hearing protection inside once. It really was not that bad.

I have also heard a shotgun being fired at an indoor range before - WITH hearing protection on. It IS louder than a 9mm handgun.

hmmmmm - you must be some sort of a human Decibel Meter - here's another comparison chart that I found (this on seems to disagree with your experience, also - just sayin') :


db   Environmental noise
0   Threshold of hearing
10   Normal breathing
20   Rusting leaves
30   Whisper at 30 feet
40   Quiet street
50   Interior home noise
60   Conversation
70   Crowded restaurant
75   Kitchen appliances
80   City traffic
85   Hearing damage possible
90   Lawn mower
100   Chain shaw
120   Threshold of pain
120   Siren
134   .22 LR rifle
140   Jet engine at take-off
150   .410 shotgun
152   .22 LR pistol
153   20 gauge shotgun
155   .223 rifle
155   .25 pistol
156   12 gauge shotgun
156   .30-.30 rifle
156   .308 rifle
156   .44 Special revolver
157   .22 Magnum pistol
157   .45 ACP pistol
158   .380 ACP pistol
158   .38 Special revolver
159   .30-06
160   9mm Para pistol
163   .41 Magnum revolver
164   .357 Magnum revolver
164   .44 Magnum revolver
 
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2019, 08:22:56 AM »
Well, think what ya want.

On a shotgun, the type of round probably makes a difference too.

And, the sound pulse and frequency could have a huge difference on what sounds louder.

I also once had a comped 45ACP 1911 that was always the loudest gun on the range. Much louder than the other guns being shot. So, it can also depend on the gun.

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Re: Home defense
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2019, 06:57:59 PM »
I'd use the Shockwave for home defense but first I'd put in an OPSol Mini-Clip. (made in Texas) It allows the reliable use of Aguila mini-shells which still have more punch than my .45. Might reduce the chance of blowing out my ear drums indoors.
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2019, 06:04:33 AM »
I'd use the Shockwave for home defense but first I'd put in an OPSol Mini-Clip. (made in Texas) It allows the reliable use of Aguila mini-shells which still have more punch than my .45. Might reduce the chance of blowing out my ear drums indoors.

that got me "lookin'" and I found this article :  http://guntoters.com/blog/2018/08/26/opsol-mini-clip/ 

seems like a valid "report" so I don't believe I'd rely on this device if installed in a HD weapon (rec shooting OK, but HD - no)

(is there another article that makes the OPSol Mini Clip appear to be more reliable - other than from the manufacturer ?)

on another note.....how many of us are going to be shooting at an intruder within the confines of our home in our friggin' lifetime ? - I mean, come on, what are the friggin' odds that we'll ever have a need to do that ?  If anyone is so concerned that it's going to happen to them and further concerned about the loudness of rounds fired doin' a number on their ear drums, perhaps they should sleep each night wearing double hearing protection.....for me, I'll chance it
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Re: Home defense
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2019, 07:03:05 AM »


on another note.....how many of us are going to be shooting at an intruder within the confines of our home in our friggin' lifetime ? - I mean, come on, what are the friggin' odds that we'll ever have a need to do that ?  If anyone is so concerned that it's going to happen to them and further concerned about the loudness of rounds fired doin' a number on their ear drums, perhaps they should sleep each night wearing double hearing protection.....for me, I'll chance it

Honestly - if you go down that road - then why have the gun at all?