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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2018, 01:16:47 PM »
What does everyone think of this article? I read this today, and I agree with some and completely disagree with the last.

Six radical ways to tackle US school shootings
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43118865

Fyi K-Texas, Im all for treating those with mental health problems, but not all are crazy, and they shouldnt be treated like criminals. Thats a great way to prevent a lot of them from seeking treatment in the first place. The point is to have them voluntarily seek treatment without repercussions and heal their mental health issue. Look how ineffective the drug war was against those who are addicted to opioids. You gotta treat the problem but not attack it.


Well, we definitely agree, and as I said, even the ACLU sees it our way. I do not want to see people avoid getting mental health treatment because they are afraid of losing their 2nd amendment rights.

My point is that psychiatrists have the ability to have those with extreme cases adjudicated. Only the worse cases like these mass shooters, people who are a threat to society and themselves and people without the competence to function, needing total care should be put before a mental health court to have their competence established or ruled incompetent. We give felons committing crimes their day in court before they lose their 2nd amendment rights.

The opiod example is a good one. A person need not have a mental health problem to be delusional, except that their drug abuse is due to a mental health condition. Even then, if they are tried for committing a crime while under the influence of a mind altering substance, drug rehabilitation and therapy are very often part of their sentence. How many people in Colorado will now lie about marijuana use when they want to buy a new firearm? :icon_wink:
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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2018, 06:11:25 PM »
Would have concern regarding stipulations on mental health. Many people who suffer from depression and other mental problems don't seek medical care. They often tough it out or self medicate. This would be a great opportunity for liberals, etc to demand some sort of requirements for certification of mental competence. Going back into history, it wasn't that long ago that political foes or other undesirables were exiled to mental institutions to undergo frightful procedures, never to be heard again.
I know from my experience at the VA that an innocent comment can get you fast tracked to a required visit with a shrink for evaluation.

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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2018, 06:23:53 PM »
Would have concern regarding stipulations on mental health. Many people who suffer from depression and other mental problems don't seek medical care. They often tough it out or self medicate. This would be a great opportunity for liberals, etc to demand some sort of requirements for certification of mental competence. Going back into history, it wasn't that long ago that political foes or other undesirables were exiled to mental institutions to undergo frightful procedures, never to be heard again.
I know from my experience at the VA that an innocent comment can get you fast tracked to a required visit with a shrink for evaluation.

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Excellent observation Randy.  The problem in trying to define what's "normal" mental health is it has become political and cultural. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro and others have defined 'the norms' for mental health, we saw where that went.
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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2018, 12:20:50 AM »
BS! unless you've had rounds fired at you in actual combat, you do a disservice to those who don't know any better. Forums are great for boasting machismo, but more often than not, such people wet their pants and recall things totally different 10 or more years later.  :icon_wink:
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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
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"BS! unless you've had rounds fired at you in actual combat, you do a disservice to those who don't know any better. Forums are great for boasting machismo, but more often than not, such people wet their pants and recall things totally different 10 or more years later. "

K-Tex, what are you replying to here???   I'm not following.

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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2018, 05:31:44 PM »
Losing your 2nd amendment rights is permanent. Things like depression and even PTSD need not be. Either can be successfully treated, but if you've lost your 2nd amendment rights in the process, guess how much it will cost you and the hoops you'll have to jump through to get them back!

It was so terribly unfortunate that Chris Kyle lost his life trying to help a Marine who had PTSD. That does not define others that may have PTSD because like depression, there are varying degrees of severity.

We don't live in a draconian age. People don't go to debtor's prisons or become indentured servants. While many years ago, people were, unfortunately, disposed of through manipulation, and many, by the inadequacies in psychiatry. But, the onus still lies with a person's psychiatrist to decide if they are a danger to society and themselves. In obvious cases many are quickly dealt with by committal. For those who are not, the doctor must assume a good portion of the responsibility. But at the same time, anyone should have the right to adjudication if committed before they're rushed off to the Gulag or "Funny Farm." If we can't do that responsibly with a court system made up of jurists and psychiatric physicians??? And the truth is, we haven't really tried. And an adjudication review board might be the only thing to keep people out of the "Funny Farm" if the Anti-Christ demo-commies get there way.

Because when it's all said in done, none of this was an epidemic until we went overboard with the rights of minority groups demanding that school prayer or almost anything spiritual and even moral be eliminated from our schools. And what an abomination we have become to God? 60,000,000 babies murdered since Roe v Wade. Just in case anyone wonders why I use the term Anti-Christ, because by Christ's own statement people can be for him or against him. Try in any logical fashion you may deem to possess and see if many things that have become "acceptable" in society could be reconciled with Christ.

Just yesterday I was reminded by Tom Gresham on Gun Talk Radio, that before Chappquidik Ted's gun control act of 1968, there wasn't even an age requirement for the purchase of a firearm. How many mass shooters were making themselves famous then? That's a psychosis that goes well beyond your garden variety depression.

If we can't re-establish morality in this country, where by most counts we're failing miserably, the republic will fall just as surely as every one that's preceded this one.  :icon_wink:
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Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2018, 06:19:12 PM »
Exactly. Everyone has been so focused on how the mass murders were committed that they have forgotten to ask why. We need to know why and fix the why. Theres plenty of stabbings, bombings and car accidents in the world but only Liberals seem focused on guns. Im sure more people died in car accidents last year than by guns. Are we gonna ban cars? Of course not.

Banning guns isnt going to solve anything, except prevent those who do follow the laws to be able to defend themselves. Its not like criminals need the 2nd amendment if they want to get guns. Thats why they're called criminals.

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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2018, 11:08:50 AM »
politicians
felons
adjudicated mentally ill

Of course politicians qualify for all three!
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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2018, 07:01:52 PM »
All democrats
The FBI and some other federal agencies
Convicted criminals
The insane

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Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2018, 08:00:36 PM »
All democrats
The FBI and some other federal agencies
Convicted criminals
The insane

Thats a little unfair to moderate democrats who believe in the 2nd Amendment. Definitely agree All Liberals.

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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2018, 04:49:31 PM »
Anyone who watches TV needs to be kept an eye on too.
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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2018, 04:59:44 PM »
FiveSeven,

WHERE in 2018 are you going to find a true "moderate" DIMocRAT and/or a DIM that supports the Second?? = All of the DIMs that I know are LEFTISTS.

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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2018, 08:10:11 PM »
Thats a little unfair to moderate democrats who believe in the 2nd Amendment. ...

I'd agree with that FiveSeven.  There are 36 total / 18 Blue Dog Democrats in each the Senate and House at this time that have a moderate or conservative view of the world.
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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2018, 08:16:24 PM »
If we would just totally BAN ANYONE who voted for hilliary clinton, we could reduce firearm violence by 99%.  :th_thicon_lol:
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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2018, 08:16:32 AM »
If we would just totally BAN ANYONE who voted for hilliary clinton, we could reduce firearm violence by 99%.  :th_thicon_lol:

But we already know that the DemonRats believe that the law doesn't apply to them.
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Re: Who do you believe SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a firearm?
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2018, 07:21:25 PM »

If we would just totally BAN ANYONE who voted for hilliary clinton, we could reduce firearm violence by 99%.  :th_thicon_lol:

But we already know that the DemonRats believe that the law doesn't apply to them.

DemonRats...thats hilarious