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« on: June 10, 2014, 04:28:03 PM »
St. Louis PD to auction off $1 million worth of Tommy guns to buy new weapons (VIDEO)
6/03/14 | by Chris Eger   71 4990
Sgt. Christopher Blake Tucker, a weapons officer with St. Louis Metro Police, shows off one of the department's 30 Thompson submachine guns up for auction. (Photo credit: St

In a case of recycling old for new, the St. Louis Metro Police Department wants to auction off 30 vintage Thompson submachine guns, worth an estimated $1 million, to buy new sidearms.

The guns are the remnants of up to 75 acquired by the department to equip special units fighting organized crimes and bootlegging operations during the Prohibition era.

The proceeds realized from the sale of these guns, which have largely been in storage since the 1960s, would allow the agency to purchase new sidearms, for which funding was recently cut.

“It’d be nice for nostalgia to have those in the police department forever,” said Jeff Roorda, with the St. Louis Police Officers’ Association. “But the more pressing need now is that officers have firepower that matches the firepower in the hands of the bad guys.”

The guns include 29 that are held at the city’s armory, as well as one that has been housed at the crime lab for ballistics testing. Total value of these guns is a moving target, with the collection varying widely from a pair of early 1921 Colt-made guns, each appraised at $31,000, to a World War II-era Auto-Ordinance/Savage M1 from 1942, valued at a bargain of $14,000.

St. Louis has a time capsule of 30 Thompsons of several different models including both rare Colt-made commercial models and later military versions. (Photo credit: Christian
A 2012 appraisal valued the total lot at $770,000, but in the world of transferable NFA-registered machine guns, that could be conservative.

In a recent auction held by Cowan’s of the Robert Wray collection, which included several Class III machine guns, prices rose dramatically before the final gavel fell. One of these was a 1921 Colt-made Thompson, in 85 percent condition, that sold in excess of $42,000.

St. Louis Metro is in dire need of new firearms, having carried their standard Beretta 9mm handguns for twenty years. In 2013, a $1.4 million request to upgrade to new, .40S&W-caliber sidearms was not approved by the city. This added fuel to the fire of officers wanting to carry their own personal rifles  to augment their firepower.

The move by St. Louis is not without precedent.

In January, the Forsyth County Sheriff’s Office in North Carolina asked county supervisors to swap a pair of early transferable Class III Thompson submachine guns for a truckload of 88 new Bushmaster rifles. The sheriff’s tommy guns were valued at $60,000 and had been gifted to the department by a local tobacco company in the 1930s.

While St. Louis plans to reap a return on their Thompson investment, they also plan to keep at least one of gun, as well as two World War I-era Lewis machine guns, for posterity.

“There is a side of me that I hate to see them go,” said Sgt. Christopher Blake Tucker, a weapons officer with St. Louis Metro, “but, if it’s going to benefit the officers in the future, I can live with that.”

http://www.guns.com/2014/06/03/st-louis-pd-to-auction-off-1-million-worth-of-tommy-guns-to-buy-new-weapons-video/
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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 06:17:43 PM »
WOW those are beautiful.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 09:52:32 PM »
so who's gettn one??
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 11:05:04 PM »
so who's gettn one??

Ill take two if your buying.....


Course at that price I can think of a few other NFA goodies Id rather have.

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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2014, 07:38:24 AM »
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“But the more pressing need now is that officers have firepower that matches the firepower in the hands of the bad guys.”

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St. Louis Metro is in dire need of new firearms, having carried their standard Beretta 9mm handguns for twenty years. In 2013, a $1.4 million request to upgrade to new, .40S&W-caliber sidearms was not approved by the city. This added fuel to the fire of officers wanting to carry their own personal rifles  to augment their firepower.

Ok, so I'm confused. 

Somehow the standard Beretta 9mm isn't equivalent to the "firepower" in the bad guys hands.  OK, I can see that if you're talking about ALL the officer has is a sidearm and the bad guys are running around with AKs or ARs.  But they are talking about upgrading sidearms, and when that was no approved they want to carry their own RIFLES.  They are acting like new .40S&W sidearms would negate the need for a rifle....................... due to "firepower".  WTF is going on? 

I'm not arguing against new sidearms.  If they have been carrying the same Beretta for 20 years and now they want something new, I'd be all for it.  When their lives depend on their weapon I'd say carry whatever you're effective and efficient with.  I'm just not understanding the jump back and forth between "firepower", new sidearms, and carrying personal rifles......................
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2014, 07:55:20 AM »
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“But the more pressing need now is that officers have firepower that matches the firepower in the hands of the bad guys.”

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St. Louis Metro is in dire need of new firearms, having carried their standard Beretta 9mm handguns for twenty years. In 2013, a $1.4 million request to upgrade to new, .40S&W-caliber sidearms was not approved by the city. This added fuel to the fire of officers wanting to carry their own personal rifles  to augment their firepower.

Ok, so I'm confused. 

Somehow the standard Beretta 9mm isn't equivalent to the "firepower" in the bad guys hands.  OK, I can see that if you're talking about ALL the officer has is a sidearm and the bad guys are running around with AKs or ARs.  But they are talking about upgrading sidearms, and when that was no approved they want to carry their own RIFLES.  They are acting like new .40S&W sidearms would negate the need for a rifle....................... due to "firepower".  WTF is going on? 

I'm not arguing against new sidearms.  If they have been carrying the same Beretta for 20 years and now they want something new, I'd be all for it.  When their lives depend on their weapon I'd say carry whatever you're effective and efficient with.  I'm just not understanding the jump back and forth between "firepower", new sidearms, and carrying personal rifles......................

I know your boys have come to you before with ridiculous logic trying to justify something they NEEDED...sounds like STL PD has kids making their justifications.  Maybe they should hang out here, and learn from some real rationalizing and justifying fools!!!  LOL
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2014, 08:09:47 AM »
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 08:12:44 AM »
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“But the more pressing need now is that officers have firepower that matches the firepower in the hands of the bad guys.”

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St. Louis Metro is in dire need of new firearms, having carried their standard Beretta 9mm handguns for twenty years. In 2013, a $1.4 million request to upgrade to new, .40S&W-caliber sidearms was not approved by the city. This added fuel to the fire of officers wanting to carry their own personal rifles  to augment their firepower.

Ok, so I'm confused. 

Somehow the standard Beretta 9mm isn't equivalent to the "firepower" in the bad guys hands.  OK, I can see that if you're talking about ALL the officer has is a sidearm and the bad guys are running around with AKs or ARs.  But they are talking about upgrading sidearms, and when that was no approved they want to carry their own RIFLES.  They are acting like new .40S&W sidearms would negate the need for a rifle....................... due to "firepower".  WTF is going on? 

I'm not arguing against new sidearms.  If they have been carrying the same Beretta for 20 years and now they want something new, I'd be all for it.  When their lives depend on their weapon I'd say carry whatever you're effective and efficient with.  I'm just not understanding the jump back and forth between "firepower", new sidearms, and carrying personal rifles......................

I'm more of the opinion of "who cares" what their justification is for doing this.  They are auctioning off guns instead of melting them down.  I'd jump out of my seat to give the city of STL a high five.  Imagine the profits wasted from melting down all the guns turned in during "buy backs".  I know some of them were non-functioning but I can imagine most were probably shooters or truck guns if nothing else.  If those were auctioned off to people legally able to own them imagine all the money those municipalities could have made.
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