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Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« on: June 03, 2014, 11:05:55 AM »
Well the controversy over open carry in Texas is growing.  The NRA just weighed in and even they think "its weird".  Its on the front page of the San Antonio Express news (3 Jun), I was called up by them and interviewed earlier for a piece they did on it.  In short here is my stand on open carry:

1)  I 100% support open carry, I grew up that way and came from a family that believed that way.  Got my first gun at age 5 (single shot .410) and at age 10 I bought my first gun by walking into a gun store and paying $10 bucks of lawn mowing money for an old .22 rifle.

2)  That said:  The current actions by a few are doing nothing but damage to OC here in Texas and this will influence the rest of the US.  There is no need to walk into most any eatery with a long gun slung over your shoulder.  Just because you want to do it does not mean you need to do it.  In the consulting business (which I was in for many years) we have an old saying:  "Perception IS Reality!"  I have seen fotos of the folks involved in some of these antics and frankly many of them are an embarrassment to me and themselves as far as I am concerned.  Nor am I 100% convinced that all of them are legit 2nd A believers.  In fact I doubt many have ANY idea what the 2nd A is about!

3)  My thoughts (and MY words) on the 2nd A:  The point of the Second Amendment is the government cannot oppress the population thru tyranny.  Many want to believe the Second Amendment was about hunting, or protecting yourself and your family. Those were givens, and were rarely if ever even discussed as reasons for the Second Amendment. Creating a Bill of Rights with an amendment to let people hunt or protect their family would have been like creating an amendment to let people dance.  It was also assumed the free people would be armed citizens and armed with weapons like the government carried.  If government troops have significantly better weapons, you create the possibility that the government can oppress the population. The idea of allowing "better" weapons for government troops and "limited" weapons to private citizens directly contradicts the purpose of the Second Amendment, which is prevention of tyranny and oppression by government power.

4)  I agree with Jerry Patterson and the NRA on this, we are not winning as long as this stuff goes on.  FACT is most folks at worst are frightened when someone comes in anywhere with a gun slung on them.  Even I when I see some yahoo running around with a AR slung on him get out of where ever I am or I make sure I have immediate access to my concealed firearm in the event this guy is up to no good and YES I judge by appearance.

5) If we want open carry and I do, it like a drivers license or a hammer comes with an inherent set of personal conduct.  I would not go into a place to eat or a dept store or most  any other place with my AR 10 slung on my back, nor do I think most of the folks I have known all my life would either.  This amounts to nothing but 'common courtesy', just like I would not want the woman on the next table in where I am eating to change her kids diapers.  Heck, I was eating in a place in N Dallas, high end joint and the manager came over and asked if I would move to another table as the table next to me could not stand the sight of me eating my raw oysters and near raw prime cut steak with a plate full of blood.  Sure too many folks are too sensitive or offended over nothing, but this is the society we live in ...why did they not move to another table (ok, it was 4 of them vs 1 of me).

Thats is my take, and yours is???????
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2014, 11:17:47 AM »
That pretty much sums it up...
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2014, 11:35:08 AM »
Good take overall.

I am all for our right to open carry both long and hand guns, and I understand and support the original stated reasoning of making a public display so that openly carried guns would start to be seen without the negative stigma that too many have. My problem is with the way these public displays are being carried out in such a way as to have the opposite impact.

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The TSRA could to arrange such a display with a specific location like a restaurant to make a big "open carry" event where it is announced and posted (banners and such) that law abiding citizens are invited to show their support of open carry with slung rifles and shotguns and those who are unfamiliar with open carry or simply curious are encouraged to come and see and engage to find out more about the rights of open carry or gun rights in general.

This kind of public event would do so much more for the movement, than a dozen 20-30 year olds in camo standing around in a parking lot or going into a restaurant with rifles (mostly slung but some in hands) with no outward signs of their lawful intentions or advance notice the businesses or patrons.
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2014, 12:01:44 PM »
I agree completely. 
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 12:09:56 PM »
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2014, 12:30:46 PM »
There is a difference between displaying support for open carry and testing the law. Kids go around with cameras just to get some hits on youtube. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2014, 01:02:37 PM »
I support open carry
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2014, 07:10:47 PM »
Well the controversy over open carry in Texas is growing.  The NRA just weighed in and even they think "its weird".  Its on the front page of the San Antonio Express news (3 Jun), I was called up by them and interviewed earlier for a piece they did on it.  In short here is my stand on open carry:

1)  I 100% support open carry, I grew up that way and came from a family that believed that way.  Got my first gun at age 5 (single shot .410) and at age 10 I bought my first gun by walking into a gun store and paying $10 bucks of lawn mowing money for an old .22 rifle.

2)  That said:  The current actions by a few are doing nothing but damage to OC here in Texas and this will influence the rest of the US.  There is no need to walk into most any eatery with a long gun slung over your shoulder.  Just because you want to do it does not mean you need to do it.  In the consulting business (which I was in for many years) we have an old saying:  "Perception IS Reality!"  I have seen fotos of the folks involved in some of these antics and frankly many of them are an embarrassment to me and themselves as far as I am concerned.  Nor am I 100% convinced that all of them are legit 2nd A believers.  In fact I doubt many have ANY idea what the 2nd A is about!

3)  My thoughts (and MY words) on the 2nd A:  The point of the Second Amendment is the government cannot oppress the population thru tyranny.  Many want to believe the Second Amendment was about hunting, or protecting yourself and your family. Those were givens, and were rarely if ever even discussed as reasons for the Second Amendment. Creating a Bill of Rights with an amendment to let people hunt or protect their family would have been like creating an amendment to let people dance.  It was also assumed the free people would be armed citizens and armed with weapons like the government carried.  If government troops have significantly better weapons, you create the possibility that the government can oppress the population. The idea of allowing "better" weapons for government troops and "limited" weapons to private citizens directly contradicts the purpose of the Second Amendment, which is prevention of tyranny and oppression by government power.

4)  I agree with Jerry Patterson and the NRA on this, we are not winning as long as this stuff goes on.  FACT is most folks at worst are frightened when someone comes in anywhere with a gun slung on them.  Even I when I see some yahoo running around with a AR slung on him get out of where ever I am or I make sure I have immediate access to my concealed firearm in the event this guy is up to no good and YES I judge by appearance.

5) If we want open carry and I do, it like a drivers license or a hammer comes with an inherent set of personal conduct.  I would not go into a place to eat or a dept store or most  any other place with my AR 10 slung on my back, nor do I think most of the folks I have known all my life would either.  This amounts to nothing but 'common courtesy', just like I would not want the woman on the next table in where I am eating to change her kids diapers.  Heck, I was eating in a place in N Dallas, high end joint and the manager came over and asked if I would move to another table as the table next to me could not stand the sight of me eating my raw oysters and near raw prime cut steak with a plate full of blood.  Sure too many folks are too sensitive or offended over nothing, but this is the society we live in ...why did they not move to another table (ok, it was 4 of them vs 1 of me).

Thats is my take, and yours is???????




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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2014, 07:31:51 PM »
+1
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2014, 07:57:29 PM »
To slightly elaborate my +1:

People are not accustomed to seeing armed men.  No matter their intent that is reputedly peaceful.  it frightens people and is counter productive for making people comfortable around weapons.

Poorly conceived, ill thought, and counter productive.  it reinforces the image of gun wielding yahoos being the norm for you and me.  And that's not true.
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2014, 08:23:27 PM »
Agreed
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2014, 08:24:08 PM »
I'm sorry. I have to disagree on a couple of points. You fry oysters and steaks are best when well done :th_thicon_idea:
I do agree with you on the open carry. Just because you can don't mean you should.
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2014, 08:56:29 PM »
I'm sorry. I have to disagree on a couple of points. You fry oysters and steaks are best when well done :th_thicon_idea:
I do agree with you on the open carry. Just because you can don't mean you should.



What utter nonsense, Oysters are grilled just until they pop open and Steaks are rare and still slightly cool in the center.



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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2014, 08:58:13 PM »
I like my steak blue
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2014, 09:03:52 PM »
That always works for me.


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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2014, 12:48:29 AM »
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Heck, I was eating in a place in N Dallas, high end joint and the manager came over and asked if I would move to another table as the table next to me could not stand the sight of me eating my raw oysters and near raw prime cut steak with a plate full of blood

I would be pretty perturbed if that happened to me.  Everyone within ear shot would have gotten a piece of my not so eloquent mind.

Your spot on for the rest of it though.  Its plastered all over the net lately and nothing good will come of it...


 

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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2014, 08:01:53 AM »

I like my steak blue
My wife likes her steak WELL DONE. She's not a fan of the blood lol.
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2014, 08:24:06 AM »
my wife as well...hers has to be the consistency of shoe leather....I'll never understand well done....its like you take something beautiful, and cook all the moisture and flavor out of it...
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Re: Open Carry Vs Open Carry
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2014, 08:29:05 AM »
U guys will hate me. I do no like steak, only hamburger. Sorry.. <ducks>