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Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« on: August 30, 2013, 07:24:00 PM »
Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test



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We acquired four identical Bushmaster AR-15 rifles.  We chose the Bushmaster MOE Series AR-15 because it’s a widely available, affordable, and mass-market.  We didn’t want something too cheap and of lower quality or something too expensive and of high quality since our goal is to help the most number of people.
We acquired 10,000 rounds each of the following ammunition (new production):

Federal 55gr – Brass-Cased – Copper Jacket
Wolf 55gr FMJ – Steel-Cased with Polymer Coating – Bi-Metal Jacket (steel and copper)
Tula 55gr FMJ – Steel-Cased with Polymer Coating – Bi-Metal Jacket (steel and copper)
Brown Bear 55gr FMJ – Steel-Cased with Lacquer Coating – Bi-Metal Jacket (steel and copper)

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2013, 07:24:56 PM »
This is an awesome article. Be sure to read further into it to see the results of the steel cased ammo and how they effected the rifle.

I almost put this into the ammunition subforum, but I figured more people would see it in the "Rifel" section...

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2013, 08:18:45 PM »
Just reinforced my rule of only shooting brass. Lol. I've never shot steel cased anything, and don't plan to.

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2013, 08:22:12 AM »
Just reinforced my rule of only shooting brass. Lol. I've never shot steel cased anything, and don't plan to.

Yes, I am not into shooting steel either.

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2013, 01:32:55 PM »
I shoot steel in all my rifles except my 22's and brass in my hand guns.
All my rifles are made in europe or Russia so steel dont matter to them.
Also I don't shoot them till the barrel glows. :th_thicon_funny:
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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2013, 11:52:18 AM »

Also I don't shoot them till the barrel glows. :th_thicon_funny:

This is true - they did shoot the hell outta them. But, the control group (brass) was treated the same - the difference was noticeable.

On a gun like my AUG - where a new barrel is not cheap... I don't think it is worth shooting steel. On a cheap AR that you can replace the barrel for not much - it may be okay for some.

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2014, 05:51:46 PM »
steel don't bother an AK
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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2014, 08:20:23 PM »
A few months ago, I would have said it didn't matter.  Then my daughter using her DPMS kit AR, my son using his Vietnam era SP1, and me using my BM XM15 took a tactical rifle course.  We shot steel (Wolf) all day, but my gun frequently jammed (failure to extract) and then finally stopped working all together with a case stuck in the chamber.  Their guns ran fine.  After the gunsmith got the stuck shell out and did some touch ups on the chamber, his diagnosis was that steel cases had a tendency to expand when fired and not "spring back" to the same extent that brass did.  Hence shooting steel in a firearm with tighter chamber tolerances risked a stuck case.  I am now a confirmed believer in brass cased ammo in my XM15; my son and daughter got all my surplus steel cased stuff.
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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2014, 08:51:00 PM »
I agree....

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2014, 08:52:03 PM »
like i said steel don't bother an AK.
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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2014, 04:57:24 AM »
I always held the opinion that steel was rougher on the gun; feels comforting to know it's fact now.

Forwarded the link to a buddy of mine who was on the fence about buying steel-cased for something of his. He ended up taking my word of caution at face value, but it helps to be able to prove I'm not just talking out the side of my *** now. :rocknroll2:

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2014, 03:00:11 PM »
Ive shot Tula, wolf, and brown bear steel through my AK and AR most of the time. It's cheaper to fire hundreds of rounds over brass. However I also shot brass ammo from those guns too. No jams from brass yet, but I have only shot a few hundred brass rounds. I have shot at least 3,000 steel rounds from both my AK and the AR with a only 2-3 from the AR that was easily fixed, and maybe 1 jam from the AK. Now i dont fire off thousand of rounds and Im a clean freak. I figure that the amount of money saved in ammo i can use as an excuse to upgrade or replace parts of high quality :). For my semi-auto handguns, I only shoot brass, it just cycles better. This argument i think has to deal also with the manufacture of the gun and the type of gun.
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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2014, 03:04:35 PM »
It's cheaper to fire hundreds of rounds over brass.

Actually, if you reload, brass is light years ahead of steel in the price and quality game, because you can sometimes fire a case 2, maybe up to 3 times depending on the cartridge.... Or sell/trade spent casings for something else.

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2014, 04:15:53 PM »
This video is interesting, I don't think it refutes that epic torture test, but its another datapoint:
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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2014, 02:46:24 PM »
Very interesting. I plan to buy a rifle in the next few weeks. I planned to only shoot brass in it. This reinforces my decision. I wish there had been one more participant with a gas piston to compare cleanliness etc. with the DI guns.

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2014, 02:59:11 PM »
I honestly will never shoot steel cased ammo thru either a rifle or a handgun...

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Re: Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 10:59:17 AM »
Bump for those interested....