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General Gun Discussion / Is this a enforceable 30.06 or 30.07 sign?
« on: June 18, 2019, 09:36:13 PM »
Asking for a friend.


Lifted from TEXAGS. Only a minute long.

Handguns and Revolvers / A rare find
« on: June 07, 2019, 05:59:51 PM »
Forgot to put up a photo when I bought this a couple of weeks ago. Model 57 N Frame S&W .41 Magnum. It's absolutely flawless. Just pristine. Not saying it's realrare but you just don't see them that much especially in this condition. Last time I saw one just like this was at a show two years ago. It had a $1500 price tag. I paid far less than that.
A little history from Wikipedia:
In the early 1960s, Elmer Keith, Bill Jordan, and Skeeter Skelton, all noted firearms authorities and authors, lobbied Remington Arms and Smith & Wesson to introduce a new .41 caliber police cartridge with the objective of filling a perceived ballistic performance gap between the .357 and .44 Magnums, thus creating a chambering which they believed would be the ultimate for law enforcement purposes.[1] In April 1964 Remington responded by introducing the .41 Magnum cartridge, and in concert, Smith & Wesson launched the Model 57 revolver chambered for the new ammunition.[1] Elmer Keith originally proposed the name ".41 Police" for the new cartridge, but Remington instead chose .41 Magnum, hoping to capitalize on the notoriety and popularity of its earlier Magnum offerings.[1]

Handguns and Revolvers / Do any of you have one of these?
« on: June 03, 2019, 06:49:19 PM »
Fully functional battery operated clock with hidden storage space

I have one on a table in the hallway by my front door. This photo shows my Ruger LCRx in .38 Sp +P and a 1,000Lum flashlight. I recently swapped the Ruger for a Glock Model 33 in .357 Sig.

Cars, Trucks, Bikes, Atvs / No more red light cameras
« on: June 02, 2019, 04:25:01 PM »
My town voted them out a few years ago and now Gov. Abbott signed the state wide ban into law effective September 1st.  :th_thicon_idea: 

Off Topic Discussion (NON FIREARM RELATED) / Are you kidding me
« on: April 27, 2019, 12:24:47 PM »
From Fox news/Can't get the link to work.

"California State University's campus in Long Beach is ditching its longtime mascot amid accusations of racism and officially moving to pick either a new symbol or have no mascot at all.
The university ditched its "Prospector Pete" character in September after criticism that it was offensive to indigenous people"  :sick2:

I've been sitting here thinking of new mascot names:
The U. Cal Long Beach Gay Caballeros
The U. Cal Long Beach Fightin' Trannys

I've got a couple others but they are NSFW

This was my original post on the subject:
Apparently the Texas Speaker of the House didn't disclose the complete facts. GD politicians. I should have known better. Now, as Paul Harvey use to say, the rest of the story.

Texas Tribune 4/23/19

Weeks after getting in a confrontation with Texas House Speaker Dennis Bonnen at a closed-door Republican dinner, gun rights activist Chris McNutt asked for an apology for what he said amounted to having his name “dragged through the mud.”

“They’ve painted this narrative of this outraged gun activist,” McNutt told The Texas Tribune after a press conference he had Tuesday afternoon inside the JW Marriott hotel in downtown Austin. “It just makes me looks like a complete nut job.”

During Tuesday’s news conference, McNutt accused Bonnen, R-Angleton, of lying when he told Lubbock radio host Chad Hasty that the gun rights activist “flashed his gun” when he visited lawmakers’ local district offices. McNutt said he was unarmed during such visits.

Rather than comment on claims McNutt made this afternoon, a spokeswoman for Bonnen said that “it appears someone has forgotten the law of holes.”

“If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging,” Bonnen spokeswoman Cait Meisenheimer said in a statement to The Texas Tribune.

Bonnen previously accused the gun rights activist of using intimidation tactics to get a bill McNutt supports through the legislature. McNutt, the executive director of Texas Gun Rights, blames Bonnen for inaction on “constitutional carry” legislation that would allow Texans to carry guns without a permit.

But the author of a constitutional carry bill said he stopped pushing for the legislation in the Capitol after McNutt showed up in lawmakers' neighborhoods — including Bonnen’s — to lobby for the legislation. Before he could go to the House speaker’s residence, however, McNutt approached Texas Department of Public Safety officers who, Meisenheimer said, had insisted on monitoring Bonnen’s home after learning that McNutt visited the residences of two lawmakers the day before.

Weeks after appearing in Bonnen's neighborhood while the speaker was in Austin, McNutt was seated close to the House leader at a fundraising dinner. Bonnen approached McNutt, chided him for his previous actions and eventually left the dinner, skipping out on a speech the speaker was scheduled to give.

During Tuesday’s press conference, however, McNutt refuted claims that he was ever on the speaker’s property. He said he canvassed “multiple other neighborhoods” in two other legislators' districts to “turn up the pressure on the speaker of the House.”

“When I was in the speaker’s neighborhood canvassing, I saw DPS troopers posted outside of his house, so I actually approached them,” he said. “I wasn’t intercepted, detained, arrested or anything. I told them what I was doing and they offered to place the fliers that I had on the speaker’s door for me.”

Joining McNutt on Tuesday was Jesse Binnall, a Virginia attorney who represents Texas Gun Rights. Without offering specifics, Binnall said his office was investigating whether “Bonnen’s intimidation tactics involved the misappropriation of state resources.”

McNutt presented recently released body cam footage from the DPS that he obtained from the agency through an open records request. According to the department's account of the events, which was sent to The Texas Tribune, McNutt identified himself to officers outside Bonnen's residence while wearing a "blue Texas Gun Rights shirt and blue jeans."
"I stated I would be more than happy to drop off the flyer at the residence and he handed me the flyer, and gave me one as well as a business card," said DPS trooper James Johnson. "McNutt stated he was from the Dallas area and flew down here, rented a car and was going to visit Representative Bonnen and his people.
"McNutt did not make any threatening statements towards Representative Bonnen's people or myself. I did not observe McNutt wearing any type of firearm at that time. After a brief conversation McNutt drove out of the neighborhood without incident."
McNutt and Dudley Brown, president of the National Association for Gun Rights, didn't place any blame Tuesday for the constitutional bill's failure on its author, state Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford.
"The speaker intended to kill this bill the moment he appointed an anti-gun Democratic to chair the committee he assigned the bill to," McNutt said, referencing state Rep. Poncho Nevrez, D-Eagle Pass, who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee.

Off Topic Discussion (NON FIREARM RELATED) / Well I guess I'm busted
« on: April 08, 2019, 07:52:53 PM »
In my junk file last week .If you don't hear from me you know what's up. Anybody have 10 grand?

Case #39518746

Distribution and storage of pornographic electronic materials involving underage children.
My name is Pam Duncan and I am a technical collection officer working for Central Intelligence Agency.

 It has come to my attention that your personal details including your email address ( are listed in case #39518746.

The following details are listed in the document's attachment:
Your personal details,
Home address,
Work address,
List of relatives and their contact information.
  Case #39518746 is part of a large international operation set to arrest more than 2000 individuals suspected of paedophilia in 27 countries.
The data which could be used to acquire your personal information:
Your ISP web browsing history,
DNS queries history and connection logs,
Deep web .onion browsing and/or connection sharing,
Online chat-room logs,
Social media activity log.
The first arrests are scheduled for April 8, 2019.
Why am I contacting you ?
I read the documentation and I know you are a wealthy person who may be concerned about reputation.
I am one of several people who have access to those documents and I have enough security clearance to amend and remove your details from this case. Here is my proposition.
Transfer exactly $10,000 USD (ten thousand dollars - about 2.5 BTC) through Bitcoin network to this special bitcoin address:
You can transfer funds with online bitcoin exchanges such as Coinbase, Bitstamp or Coinmama. The deadline is March 27, 2019 (I need few days to access and edit the files).
Upon confirming your transfer I will take care of all the files linked to you and you can rest assured no one will bother you.
Please do not contact me. I will contact you and confirm only when I see the valid transfer.


Pam Duncan


Technical Collection Officer

Directorate of Science and Technology

Central Intelligence Agency

Gun News & Laws / Constitutional Carry in Texas is dead this session
« on: April 06, 2019, 02:05:57 PM »
Not that I thought the current legislation had a chance of passing and landing on the Governor's desk for his signature these fine folks made sure that it's dead on arrival. Showing up at a state representatives private residence to confront him or her and their families doesn't cut it with me. That's something done by the Maxine Waters types of this world not responsible owners of firearms.

Off Topic Discussion (NON FIREARM RELATED) / St. Patrick's Day
« on: March 17, 2019, 07:49:45 PM »
Is always a big thing at my place.
Corned beef with cabbage and carrots, rye bread, bread and butter pickles and mashed potatoes

I like making a sandwich with mine and finishing it off with a cold Guinness!

That sent me PM's and condolences concerning the recent passing of my father. I do appreciate that.
Just a short bio on my old man.

Born April '25 Oldest of seven brothers and sisters.
Army 44-72. Armor. Retired 0-6 Colonel. WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. 2x Purple Heart and Bronze Star w/V device and several other awards. West Point graduate 1949.
Advertising Manager and C&W disk jockey at KOVE radio late seventies and eighties.
Advertising Manager for the local newspaper from '85 until he retired to his beach house in Galveston in '98

Had Alzheimer's the last five years or so. Anybody that's been though that my hat's off to you.
My dad always had a taste for expensive liquor. Found a bottle of 20 year old Pappy Van Winkle in his bar yesterday and some 30-40 year old scotch. I've taken my liberties with same.
Again thanks everyone!.

Handguns and Revolvers / S&W M&P .380 EZ
« on: March 08, 2019, 04:08:10 PM »
I actually bought this for my wife thinking she may prefer it over the Bersa Thunder .380 she has. It has everything she likes, lightweight, thumb safety, great sights, decent trigger and the .380 caliber. She thought it was OK but not enough to make a change.
I like it just fine though. Have it in my hiding place by the front door but may work it into my EDC rotation.

pic upload

Defensive Tactics / This LEO refused to be a statistic
« on: January 28, 2019, 03:45:45 PM »
Warning: Fairly graphic

Training and a little luck can go a long way in saving your life.

Gun News & Laws / 2019 Shot Show Fire Arm Debuts, Rumors and More
« on: January 25, 2019, 04:14:18 PM »
Some interesting, and not so interesting things on the horizon.

Handguns and Revolvers / Kel Tec's new 33 +1 22LR Model CP 33
« on: January 23, 2019, 05:42:16 PM »
For the most part I like Kel Tec and think they are an innovative company. In the past five years I have had a few. Two I didn't like the PLR 16, a jammomatic no matter the ammo, and the Sub 2000 in 9mm which is really a decent carbine but just wasn't right for me. Two I did like The .22 Magnum 30 +1 PMR pistol and the carbine version the CMR 30.
I've been looking for a .22LR and was really considering a Browning Buckmark or another Ruger Mark series although the Ruge'rs are a b***h to clean. These new Kel Tec's are getting good reviews but, unfortunately like the PMR 30 and other KEL TEC products, I believe production won't meet initial demand. It took me four years to finally get my hands on a PMR which, in hindsight, I'm OK with as the first production models had keyhole issues which Kel Tec has since corrected.
Depending on price, which I'm going to guess the CP 33 will be right around $400, I'll probably be willing to wait. Like to shoot one first though.

I like innovative firearms, revolvers and the .22 magnum round but this one.....I don't know. Would like to shoot it though.

General Gun Discussion / At the indoor range today
« on: January 09, 2019, 09:48:41 PM »
Wife and I went to the local indoor range today. Wife hadn't shot her Bersa .380 in a few months and I also brought along three .38 SP revolvers including my EDC Colt Detective Special and my Hi Power.
As Ship and a couple of others on this forum can attest too this range has no ambient light but more than enough artificial light to shoot out to the fifty foot limit. I shot my Colt first and had real trouble lining up the front blade. Was all over place at twenty feet. Not much better with with my 3" LCRx. Wife say's I would probably do better if I took off my sunglasses. :icon_redface: Prescription Ray Bans. Took them off and put on my regular specs. Much better.
Wife puts a magazine down range.

Went home popped a beer and took a nap.


Gun News & Laws / I don't always agree with Judge A. Napalitono
« on: January 05, 2019, 04:33:07 PM »
But I'll make an exception here:
Most of the mass killings by guns in the United States in recent years — Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Newtown, Charleston, San Bernardino and Orlando — took place in venues where local or state law prohibited carrying guns, even by those lawfully licensed to do so. The government cheerfully calls these venues “gun-free zones.” They should be called killing zones.
After a while, these events cease to shock; but they should not cease to cause us to re-examine what the government has done to us.
We know from reason, human nature, and history that the right to defend yourself is a natural instinct that is an extension of the right to self-preservation, which is itself derived from the right to live. Life is the great gift from the Creator, and we have a duty to exercise our freedoms to preserve life until its natural expiration. But the lives we strive to preserve should not be those actively engaged in killing innocent life.

The Framers recognized this when they ratified the Second Amendment, which the Supreme Court recently held was written to codify — and thus, prevent the government from infringing on — the pre-political right to own and use modern-day weapons for self-defense or to repel tyrants.

The term “pre-political” derives from the language of the Second Amendment, which protects “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.” The constitutional reference of “the” right to keep and bear arms makes clear that the Framers recognized that the right pre-existed the government because it stems from our humanity. That’s why pre-political rights are known as fundamental or natural rights.

Because the right to use modern weaponry for the defense of life, liberty and property are natural, we should not need a government permission slip before exercising it, any more than we need one to exercise other natural rights, such as speech, press, assembly, travel and privacy.

Yet since the Progressive era 100 years ago — ushered in by Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson and enabled by nearly every president since — the government has taken the position that it can care for us better than we can care for ourselves. So it has severely curtailed our rights and left us reliant on the government itself for protection.

The modern-day massacres are proof beyond a doubt that the government cannot protect us.

In the Orlando tragedy, for example, the man who killed 49 and wounded 53 used a handgun and a rifle. The handgun accepted magazines containing 17 bullets, and the rifle accepted magazines containing 30 bullets. The killer, using both weapons, fired more than 250 times that Sunday morning. That means he reloaded his weapons about a dozen times. Each time he reloaded, he stopped shooting, as it is impossible for any person to shoot and reload simultaneously.

The modern-day massacres are proof beyond a doubt that the government cannot protect us.

We know from forensics that the killer was a poor shot. We can deduce from that knowledge that he was a slow reloader. One learns to shoot first and reload later. It is likely that it took between three and seven seconds each time he reloaded the handgun and longer with the rifle. In those time periods, any trained person carrying a handgun in that Orlando nightclub could have wounded or killed him — and stopped the slaughter.

Don’t expect to hear that argument from the gun control crowd in the government. It is the same crowd that has given us the killing zones. It is the same crowd that does not trust you to protect yourself.

Hillary Clinton called the rifle the Orlando killer carried a “weapon of war.” It is not. It is the same rifle that her Secret Service detail carries. Many of her acolytes have called it an assault rifle. It is not. It fires one round for each trigger pull. True assault rifles — not those that the politicians have renamed assault rifles because they have a collapsible stock and a bayonet holder (I know this sounds ridiculous, but it's true) — fire numerous rounds per trigger pull. They have been outlawed on U.S. soil since 1934.

What do we have here?

We have a government here that is heedless of its obligation to protect our freedoms. We have a government that, in its lust to have us reliant upon it, has created areas in the U.S. where innocent folks living their lives in freedom are made defenseless prey to monsters — as vulnerable as fish in a barrel. And we have mass killings of defenseless innocents — over and over and over again.

We have a government here that is heedless of its obligation to protect our freedoms. We have a government that, in its lust to have us reliant upon it, has created areas in the U.S. where innocent folks living their lives in freedom are made defenseless prey to monsters — as vulnerable as fish in a barrel. And we have mass killings of defenseless innocents — over and over and over again.

How dumb are these politicians who want to remove the right to self-defense? There are thousands of crazies in the U.S. who are filled with hate — whether motivated by politics, self-loathing, religion or fear. If they want to kill, they will find a way to do so. The only way to stop them is by superior firepower. Disarming their law-abiding victims not only violates the natural law and the Constitution but also is contrary to all reason.

All these mass killings have the same ending: The killer stops only when he is killed. But that requires someone else with a gun to be there. Shouldn’t that be sooner rather than later?

Adapted from Judge Andrew Napolitano’s monologue on Fox Nation’s “Liberty File.”

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