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Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« on: September 25, 2017, 09:05:41 AM »
Several people on various gun forums seem to have a preference for pistol caliber carbines for home defense (instead of a handgun or a rifle caliber long gun).

Anyone here into that?

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 10:14:02 AM »
Shipwreck,

While I always have my S&W  Shield on my belt, my PRIMARY house defense weapon is a 12-gauge pump-gun loaded with #4 buckshot.
(That said, my little Remington 7615 carbine is also loaded, ready & waiting, should I need it.)

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 12:48:33 PM »
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not in stead of a handgun but in addition to - my Wife's Beretta CX4 Storm goes in rotation with my 5.56 AR and my .20ga Mossberg camper length/pistol gripped pump

Glock G24 w/ 19rds of .40 cal on the nightstand, long gun against the wall 
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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 01:24:43 PM »
It was easier to aim and control the MP 5 I trained with compared with a handgun

The son of the friend that trained me uses a KRISS .45 carbine for home defense





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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 02:40:43 PM »
I have a JR Carbine 9mm.

Its right there as a form of backup ready to rock.

Since it has a green laser/ flashlight on the rail combined with a night scope,  and is deady accurate, high cap mags, runs flawlessly. Much more velocity that a 9mm pistol. So, YEAH, I  dont hesitate to grab it and walked outside at night to investigate something  when the dogs were acting up.

In the house, probably not. Between several pistols with TruGlo TFX night sights, and a 12 gauge pump,, probably not the first thing Id grab for an inside the house encounter.

But then again, I have many options. Some people dont.  I also have (2) German Shepherds. So an in house encounter, VERY unlikely I will need to do anything, or want to,  :P   get involved.  That poor bastard perp  is going to have more problems that he can handle. SHORT of allowing the dogs to kill him,, I would be content to watch the dogs do their job until I can walk over and safely cuff the guy.  :thumbsup1: They gotta have some fun too.  :th_thicon_idea:

But I certainly see no reason a pistol caliber carbine wouldnt work inside. Because of the added velocity,  OVER penetration could be an issue with certain ammo selection.

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Iraqveteran8888t"  from Moss gun, on you tube showed a 9mm carbine putting bullets through 1 inch of plywood and a  2 x 4   @ 440 yards. I really like his melt down videos,, where he runs a gun until it fails. Kinda nuts,, but interesting as hell.

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 02:57:59 PM »
Part #2.

Here is where they use hollow points.

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 03:16:24 PM »
Here is the 45 ACP  penetration test in a carbine.


Politicians are like diapers, they should be changed often, and for the same reason.

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Well, any man that wouldnt cheat at cards for a poke, dont want one bad enough. " Gus".

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 03:35:41 PM »
DCD - Thanks for posting those videos. Very informative. By coincidence I just bought a Kel Tec Sub 2000 9mm as a Christmas present for my grandson and a CZ Sp-01 Phantom 9mm with the 18+1 magazine capacity for my soon to be LEO (again) son. The CZ is still in lay away jail but I will get it out soon enough.
I've bought a few 9mm's this past year after not having one for several years. The last being a Ruger P 89 DC I sold in '13. I now have the CZ EVO Scorpion Carbine, my recently purchased Springfield 3" EMP 1911, and my Argentine FM HI Power that I'm still working to get the Gremlins out.
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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2017, 04:00:34 PM »
Several people on various gun forums seem to have a preference for pistol caliber carbines for home defense (instead of a handgun or a rifle caliber long gun).

Anyone here into that?
I love my CZ EVO Scorpion 9mm but haven't considered it as a home defense weapon although I'm sure it would be more than adequate. My Shockwave seems to fit the bill as my go to home defense firearm now but I usually also have a .38 Special Ruger, Smith or Colt close by.
I'm leaning towards replacing my EDC .38 snub revolvers with my new Springfield 3" EMP 1911 once I get some decent trigger time with it. Young deputy I work with has a 100 yrd range set up at his place in Kurten and has given me an open invitation anytime I would like to go out there. Hoping to try all my new ones out this coming Sunday.
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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2017, 04:09:05 PM »
One can argue that the 5.7x28 mm PS90 is a pistol caliber carbine... Maybe. The P90 came out first, and they made the handgun for it afterward. It's actually comparable to the 9mm.

I bought it for home defense, since I live in a condo. Despite the higher velocity, it's made to not over penetrate. I've seen tests showing it going thru 1 interior wall, but the 2nd wall stopping it. 9mm will go much further than that.

The weapon is also very short and has a 50 round magazine. Except for the PS90, I'd rather have a handgun over a PCC for home defense, personally.

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2017, 04:20:05 PM »

..I'd rather have a handgun over a PCC for home defense, personally.

why not have both ?
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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2017, 04:23:33 PM »

..I'd rather have a handgun over a PCC for home defense, personally.

why not have both ?

Well, unless the carbine is short, a handgun is easier to handle in tight quarters IMHO.

I had a CX4 storm until recently. It was the 2nd one I had. Neither was very accurate for a rifle. 3-4 inch groups at 50 yards, and 6-8" groups at 100 yards. Inside my house - I can easily do well enough with a 9mm handgun. And, you have a free hand to open doors and other things.

Now, the PS90 is pretty damn small. And, is easier to corner in a small hallway with. But, I'd grab my Beretta handgun before I'd grab the CX4 I used to have.

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2017, 04:37:41 PM »
DCD - Thanks for posting those videos. Very informative. By coincidence I just bought a Kel Tec Sub 2000 9mm as a Christmas present for my grandson and a CZ Sp-01 Phantom 9mm with the 18+1 magazine capacity for my soon to be LEO (again) son. The CZ is still in lay away jail but I will get it out soon enough.
I've bought a few 9mm's this past year after not having one for several years. The last being a Ruger P 89 DC I sold in '13. I now have the CZ EVO Scorpion Carbine, my recently purchased Springfield 3" EMP 1911, and my Argentine FM HI Power that I'm still working to get the Gremlins out.

I really like Eric's videos.  He is down to earth, and calls a duck a duck. I dont really recall seeing any fanboy crap in his video's.

And he seems to like CZ's,,,,, So obviously pretty smart too.  :thumbsup1:  :icon_wink:

BTW, our township police ALL carry the CZ 75's.

The Supervisors didnt put it in wrriting or anything like that,, but they made is known they would really like ALL their LEO's carrying the  same type sidearms if possible. So many went with the CZ 75 series, , the rest followed suit.  And a few do have the SP-01 tacticals.  :th_thicon_idea:
Politicians are like diapers, they should be changed often, and for the same reason.

There are two kinds of people in the world my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. YOU DIG.  " Blondie".

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2017, 04:41:47 PM »
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I can understand the handgun preference when living in a condo/apartment but my place is on a few acres.....there are things that go-bump-in-the-night that aren't just down the hallway - so - for me, I'm thinking that something with a barrel longer than 5" could go hand in hand with a pistol.....
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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2017, 05:10:49 PM »
One can argue that the 5.7x28 mm PS90 is a pistol caliber carbine... Maybe. The P90 came out first, and they made the handgun for it afterward. It's actually comparable to the 9mm.

I bought it for home defense, since I live in a condo. Despite the higher velocity, it's made to not over penetrate. I've seen tests showing it going thru 1 interior wall, but the 2nd wall stopping it. 9mm will go much further than that.
After you mentioned the 5.7x28  as a home defense firearm awhile back I considered it but as I can't shoot it in the local indoor range I don't have sufficient trigger time to feel confident. I'm hoping that will change soon.
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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2017, 09:57:31 PM »
No PCC here. We were shooting our 9mm's pistols into a long (mile+) pond this weekend.  With about 15-20 degree elevation, getting to the far end 1 mile mark was pretty easy.  Interestingly enough, a 20 mph head wind made  major difference in the elevation required trying to get past aobut 800 yards.

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2017, 05:46:20 AM »

..We were shooting our 9mm's pistols into a long (mile+) pond this weekend..

why ?
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2017, 07:40:49 PM »

..We were shooting our 9mm's pistols into a long (mile+) pond this weekend..

why ?

Because it was there.   :P

Given a MILE might have been a tic on the extreme side,,,,   :th_nuts:,,,, :th_thicon_funny:

I shoot my pistols at 200 + yards ALL the time. A week ago Saturday my Dad & I spent the afternoon shooting a Ruger Blackhawk , w/ 7.5 barrel in .45 ACP @ 150 to 200 yards.  We had a ball.  :thumbsup1:

Poking holes in paper @ 10 feet gets pretty damn boring pretty quick  IMO.
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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2017, 08:05:38 PM »

..We were shooting our 9mm's pistols into a long (mile+) pond this weekend..

why ?
Because, that's why! :)

We started shooting at a steel target at 560 yards.  Only 1 hit out of about 50-100 rounds, but alot of very close water hits. Interesting that all the rounds turned about 15-30 degrees to the right, due to the spin of the bullet when they hit the water. 
Next we decided to see if we could get to the end of the long pond, a bit over a mile away.  With no head wind and about 25 degrees elevation, yes we could.  With a stiff head wind, we did not.
It was a blast.

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Re: Who here is into PCCs for self defense?
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2017, 10:40:31 PM »
I own a 9mm British Sterling L2A3 and I guess some could consider it as a carbine. It was once a SMG and still has the automatic switch (but it doesn't/can't drop to it anymore) so I'm not sure if some would call it a carbine for that reason. But for use as a home defense weapon, I'll pass.
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