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Offline FiveSeven

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« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2018, 11:35:02 AM »

At the risk of sounding defensive,
if you are going to post opinions on a public forum, you have to expect not everyone will agree with you.

I am not a Trump fan,
but I honestly do not see what he has done in the last year and a half that is so horrible.

What I find disturbing about the whole situation is that the anti-Trump people are blindly giving Putin exactly what he hoped to achieve.
Discord and distrust of the American electoral system and generally creating chaos in the country.

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« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2018, 11:42:36 AM »
I am not a Trump fan,
but I honestly do not see what he has done in the last year and a half that is so horrible.

What has he done that is (perceived or acted out as) so horrible:
1) He is not Hillary.
2) He won the election over Hillary.
3) He has overturned several programs, policies and doctrines from "America's most historic president".
4) He is markedly moving the country closer to the political center.
5) He has lessened the 'misery index' for most Americans, eliminating the need for many of the economic gifts and free money programs, reducing the influence of the left.
6) He is slowing down the rate of likely future democrats who are coming to this country illegally.
7) Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

What I find disturbing about the whole situation is that the anti-Trump people are blindly giving Putin exactly what he hoped to achieve.
Discord and distrust of the American electoral system and generally creating chaos in the country.

Read the book  "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals" by  Saul D. Alinsky.  Hillary was a devote' of Alinsky and corresponded with him before his death.
Alinsky effectively said there are no rules, that truth is optional in a political battle, and that the goal is to win by any means. 

The very act of creating chaos in an otherwise stable political environment allows factions that otherwise have no chance for adoption of ridiculous or radical ideas can use the chaos to repackage otherwise abhorrent ideas with a chance of passage.
While the Nazis and US left wingers are politically oppositional, the left in the US today have adopted many of the non- and lesser violent tactics to achieve adoption of their goals.

How does Putin fit in?
Very well, by providing a (weak) link to an external antagonist in Putin, Trump is being setup for fantasy arguments in 2020. 
The goal is to trash Trump, it doesn't matter if it hurts the country.

Quite simple actually when you think about it.

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« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2018, 11:53:42 AM »
"Political center" by a man elected by the far right. Yea that makes sense.

Im pretty sure the "misery index" is going to go up now that he practically started a trade war with the whole planet. You'll feel it, give it a few months. Im even starting to see gas prices inch their way up. Its already affected my company - all of our prices have risen.

I dont see how illegal immigrants are politically leaning one way or another. They're just fleeing the violence in South America.

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« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2018, 12:00:00 PM »

I dont see how illegal immigrants are politically leaning one way or another. They're just fleeing the violence in South America.

There is an objective article in The Federalist about this very issue.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/27/why-immigrants-vote-for-democrats/

The primary factors are they are likely to be better served by programs championed by democrats, and they come from socialist countries.
Compared to the US, the democratic party is more in line with their exposure and political leanings.


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« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2018, 12:19:36 PM »
"Political center" by a man elected by the far right. Yea that makes sense.

Im pretty sure the "misery index" is going to go up now that he practically started a trade war with the whole planet. You'll feel it, give it a few months. Im even starting to see gas prices inch their way up. Its already affected my company - all of our prices have risen.

I dont see how illegal immigrants are politically leaning one way or another. They're just fleeing the violence in South America.
I'm sure that you actually believe Trump was elected by the far right.

In reality he was elected by black voters (who voted for Obama) and young people (pissed about the treatment of Bernie) not voting.
Hillary simply did not inspire either of these voting blocks. She failed in several states that are historically blue, simply by not campaigning there. 

Gas prices always rise in the summer, plus OPEC has decreased production to raise prices.
But locally I am seeing them inch back down over the last couple of weeks.

Funniest/sad thing I think I have ever read is the fact that Trump most likely will be impeached for being the first politician to actually try to do what he campaigned on.

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« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2018, 12:52:23 PM »

"Political center" by a man elected by the far right. Yea that makes sense.

Im pretty sure the "misery index" is going to go up now that he practically started a trade war with the whole planet. You'll feel it, give it a few months. Im even starting to see gas prices inch their way up. Its already affected my company - all of our prices have risen.

I dont see how illegal immigrants are politically leaning one way or another. They're just fleeing the violence in South America.
I'm sure that you actually believe Trump was elected by the far right.

In reality he was elected by black voters (who voted for Obama) and young people (pissed about the treatment of Bernie) not voting.
Hillary simply did not inspire either of these voting blocks. She failed in several states that are historically blue, simply by not campaigning there. 

Gas prices always rise in the summer, plus OPEC has decreased production to raise prices.
But locally I am seeing them inch back down over the last couple of weeks.

Funniest/sad thing I think I have ever read is the fact that Trump most likely will be impeached for being the first politician to actually try to do what he campaigned on.

Totally agree about that note with Bernie. A lot of people didnt vote because Hillary rigged the democratic vote against Bernie and thus lost a good chunk of voters in the process. Bernie actually had a good chance of winning, but Hillary? Not a chance in hell.

I will admit Trump could be a blessing in disguise. The guy does what he says and doesnt speak with a forked tongue as all of his predecessors have done. The first honest (maybe too honest with all that Tweeting) Pres we have had in a long long time.

Its mostly his cabinet I dislike. He seems to surround himself with yes men, corrupt folks or idiots; typical washington types. I wish he'd pick good people so he wouldnt have to fire people so often and some positive stuff could happen. The FCC guy overturned net neutrality, devos wants to defund practically all of public education, his Nasa guy said he didnt believe in climate change, then changed his mind later, and the list goes on. Its actually more frustrating reading the news from his administration than it is about him.

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« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2018, 01:30:34 PM »
"Political center" by a man elected by the far right. Yea that makes sense.

Five seven, your editing of the quote totally changes what Psyc said.  What he said was:

4) He is markedly moving the country closer to the political center.
(my emphasis).

And that's clearly true.  The previous administration moved the political further to the left, Trump is moving it to the right, clearly closer to the political center. 
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« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2018, 01:31:52 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2018, 10:16:56 AM »

Five seven, your editing of the quote totally changes what Psyc said.

And that's clearly true.  The previous administration moved the political further to the left, Trump is moving it to the right, clearly closer to the political center.

Ok now I understand. That makes sense. I hope it actually works. This country needs it.

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« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2018, 01:38:41 PM »
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this thread is making me tired   :thumbsdown:


It's already put me to sleep

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« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2018, 02:42:39 PM »
FiveSeven,

Tell everyone: Do you ACTUALLY believe any of the hysterical, LEFTIST, nonsense that you've posted to this forum OR are you "having us on"??

Any an y case 90% of what you've posted is ignorant/foolish/"created" propaganda from the far left.

For one thing even mentioning a "trade war with the whole planet" makes you look na´ve at best & "empty between the ears" at worst.
Face facts: Like so many other Americans (IF you believe what you posted here), you are being played for a CHUMP.

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« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2018, 03:09:07 PM »

FiveSeven,

Tell everyone: Do you ACTUALLY believe any of the hysterical, LEFTIST, nonsense that you've posted to this forum OR are you "having us on"??

Any an y case 90% of what you've posted is ignorant/foolish/"created" propaganda from the far left.

For one thing even mentioning a "trade war with the whole planet" makes you look na´ve at best & "empty between the ears" at worst.
Face facts: Like so many other Americans (IF you believe what you posted here), you are being played for a CHUMP.

yours, satx.


Say for a moment I do actually believe it all...why am I being played for a chump? I really want to understand what makes Trump better than previous presidents? I dont want to be one of the sheeple. Ive considered myself an independent since I was able to vote, and 2/3 of what either party says is Bravo Sierra to me. Convince me.

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« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2018, 05:27:03 PM »
FiveSeven,

The bottom line is I have trusted NOTHING more controversial than sports scores, that were claimed by the "mainstream media", since they broadcasted/printed so many OBVIOUS/KNOWING LIES about our GIs & the RVN War.
(My best friend, from boarding school days, was accused by ABC/CBS/NBC of committing MANY "vicious war crimes" in RVN in 1968-69. - The truth was that he was KIA in AUG 1967 at Firebase Leopard near the RVN/LAOS border.  When his widow (Donna Jo) sent the 3 networks copies of his death certificate & requested that Jerry's name be cleared & an "on air apology" be given to the family,  all 3 networks accused him of over 3 dozen OTHER/ADDITIONAL war crimes in 1970. - Donna Jo then sued the 3 networks for libel but the court found that "- - - -- you cannot libel the dead." & dismissed the civil suit "with prejudice".)

You should also check out the following "scandals" that were reported by the print/broadcast media, when the media knew or should have known that 90+% of what was reported was well-accepted as  FALSE well before it was spewed onto the print/airwaves: Richard Jewell, Trayvon Martin, The Daingerfield Church Massacre, the Duke University Lacrosse Rape case, "with the troops" 100% FAKE "news" reports during Desert Storm & 100s of other "created scandals".
(Fyi, ABC New Division FIRED 4 reporters for filing false expense accounts for travel to Iraq that they never actually accomplished. - Nonetheless, ABC aired the "created" so-called "with the troops reports" repeatedly for over a week.)

In the case of President Trump, well over 90% of "journalists" self-identify as "Democrat partisans", "members of the resistance," "left of center" or "far left of center". 
They HATE Trump & have often openly said that they will do "everything possible" to end his term as President. =====> My advice: Trust NOTHING that any network/major newspaper claims about the POTUS/his family/his supporters, as it is more likely FALSE than truthful.

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« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2018, 08:25:24 PM »
Say for a moment I do actually believe it all...why am I being played for a chump? I really want to understand what makes Trump better than previous presidents? I dont want to be one of the sheeple. Ive considered myself an independent since I was able to vote, and 2/3 of what either party says is Bravo Sierra to me. Convince me.
I doubt anyone on the internet can convince anyone of anything.

I am not much of a Trump supporter.
I don't identify as a republican or democrat, if anything, I am a libertarian.
I pretty much just want to be left alone to live my life and enjoy the fruits of my labor.

I voted for Ted Cruz in the primary and remember Trump saying he neither wanted or needed my vote. - turns out he was correct.

I believe Trump is better than the alternative choice.
I'm pretty ambivalent about him at this point. I do like his SCOTUS pick. Hopefully he will get to make at least 1 more. 

I like that Trump is not actually a democrat or a republican.
He is not doing things the way a life-long politician would do them. He is trying different approaches to actually solve some problems.
People may not (and don't) like his approach or his ideas, but honestly, I don't see that he has actually done irreparable damage to the country (at least yet).

Seems like since 1977 when I turned 18 and voted in my first presidential election, we have the basically the same problems, try basically the same solutions, and never actually fix anything. It goes back further, watch the Kennedy/Nixon debates, we still have most of those same problems now.

Trump trying something different:
This whole DACA thing is ridiculous. Basically, Obama (and democrats) decided to pander to the Hispanic vote by creating a policy that would not deport these childhood arrivals.
It does not give them citizenship, not really legalize them, it just lets them stay in limbo, with the promise that we will not deport them at the moment. Which, BTW, nobody was really deporting them anyways.

Nobody is going to deport all the illegals in this country. That ain't going to happen.
By the same token, nothing is going to get these people (DACA or others) a pathway to citizenship or legal status without border security,
-unless the democrats get a super majority in congress and also hold the presidency, which I assume is their plan.

We had this same problem in the 80's. Congressional democrats promised border security, Reagan granted amnesty. 
We didn't get border security and now we have the same problem again 10x worse.
You can grant all these people amnesty, and in 10 yrs or less, we are going to have the same problem again.

Trump wants a border wall, democrats say no. I don;t care if you are for or against the wall, or if you think it will work or not, nothing is going to happen without it.

Trump tried to end DACA and then offer a pathway for these people if the democrats would give him the wall.
Democrats said no.
He is not actually out deporting DACA kids, but the threat was/is there to try to force the democrats to take action. It didn't work because the democrats know the courts and the press are on their side.
They only want to legalize these people and do nothing on the border. That is CRAZY.

If you want to argue that the 1 million legal immigrants that come into the country every year is not enough, fine, get congress to raise the limit.
But 1 million legal and 1/2 million illegal every year is dumb.
Of course, if you raise the quota, the illegals will still come, because most of them neither want to take the time or have the money to do it legally in the first place.

I dislike Trump's tweets. As an old army commander of mine said to me recently, "Trump is like a box of rock with lips."
I really wish he would shut up. 

But, one reason for his tweeting is trying to get some credit for the things he actually does.
Trump has not been given anything close to fair news coverage. -if you believe he has, then I dunno what to say.

The Russian collusion stuff is clear evidence of that.

I do not believe that Trump colluded with Russia to beat Hillary and strangely, even if he did, that is not actually illegal.

Did Russia interfere with our election, of course they did, they ALWAYS do, and have probably been doing it since the 1945.
Their motive is simple, they want to sow discord and make people lose confidence in our election system and our democratic process. 
Well, Putin has to be laughing his ass off as to how successful he has been with the willing participation of democrats and the press over the last year and a half.

At this point, people do not trust our election system, the CIA or the FBI.
There is evidence of both a deep state and a shadow government.

If you are on the Hate Trump bandwagon,
the good news is, if the democrats find a way to impeach trump, they will probably be successful because they will get some republican support,
cause there are plenty of republicans that hate him too.

And that is really sad for our country.
Most of my adult life I have heard people crying out for a non-politician or third party candidate to get elected.
Well, that's Trump. - probably the closest will ever get.
But then, I also heard news analysts years ago make the prediction that if a third party candidate actually won,
he would be unable to govern because he would be fighting both sides.

Welcome to 2018.

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« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2018, 10:31:40 PM »
JohnnyDollar,

CORRECT. More to the point Putin is likely pleased (and laughing his rear off) that at least two of his SVR agents were paid over 200,000USD each to provide "opposition research information" to the HRC campaign.
(The actual collusion was between the Russian government & the CLINTON campaign. - reportedly,  the CLINTON CAMPAIGN paid more than 5,000,000USD to the Russians.)

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« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2018, 06:16:10 AM »
JohnnyDollar,

CORRECT. More to the point Putin is likely pleased (and laughing his rear off) that at least two of his SVR agents were paid over 200,000USD each to provide "opposition research information" to the HRC campaign.
(The actual collusion was between the Russian government & the CLINTON campaign. - reportedly,  the CLINTON CAMPAIGN paid more than 5,000,000USD to the Russians.)

yours, satx
I agree Putin is laughing at the whole situation.

I don't really consider the opposition research paper to be a big deal either. It's not illegal for either side to try to get dirt to use against opponents.
Which is what Trump Jr. did by meeting with that Russian that said they has stuff on Hillary.
-Took them like 5 mins to figure out this person didn't have jack. - that was not illegal either.

What IS disturbing to me is that Comey admitted that the FBI used the opposition research paper to obtain warrants knowing that the information in the research was unverified (at best) and actually false (at worst).

I am glad Hillary did not win.
And, if Trump actually DID do something illegal, then prosecute away. But I don't think he did.

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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2018, 11:41:13 AM »
JohnnyDollar,

What I'm reasonably sure of is that the "Hillary crowd", the DNC & the more intelligent fraction of the  leftist morons KNEW from the get-go that there was NO crimes to investigate. - What I do believe is that the DIMs, the HRC partisans & the FAR LEFT believed that the American people were STUPID enough to believe that NONSENSE/PACK OF LIES.

The POTUS is also correct that this whole "Mueller thing" is a FRAUD, a HOAX, a WITCH HUNT  & a complete WASTE of taxpayer's money.
(As of 15JUN18, "Muller & his band of crooks" have WASTED at least 18 MILLION dollars & accomplished little or nothing.)

Btw, as of 15JUN18, an unpublished poll done by Michigan State University found that over 53% of American adults no longer TRUST the FBI to be "even minimally fair & honest".
Frankly, I believe that only "a top to bottom house-cleaning" of the FBI & a PURGE of every agent, who failed to do his/her sworn duty, will ever restore the damage done to the FBI by Comey & his coven of crooks/creeps/liars.

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« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2018, 03:16:25 PM »
Of course nobody really believes Trump conspired with Putin to win the presidency.

The thing is,
democrats were sure the election was rigged for Hillary, Trump won, so he much have cheated.

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« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2018, 03:45:49 PM »
JohnnyDollar,

The "leaders" of the DIMocRATS aren't generally that STUPID but they hope that the mass of the sheeple ARE that clueless. =  SADLY, about 35% of adults will believe ANYTHING, no matter how unlikely, IF they see/read it on the WWW and/or the "news" papers & TV.

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« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2018, 05:10:48 PM »
This is just a distraction to keep their base fired up.