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POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« on: November 12, 2017, 01:35:56 PM »
What do you think?
With the change in the original Texas CHL law, places of worship now must give verbal, written or posted warning to not CHL.  The North Texas United Methodist Conference recently noted that Open carry could be discouraged with 30.07 signs but Concealed was not addressed.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 02:10:47 PM »
This is just me, but I don't think open carry in church will become an issue even if there's no sign.
As far as having to give notice about no conceal carry...other places have to to do that somehow as well.
I really don't that'll be an issue either.
I think probably the majority of churches will not have any notices or signage.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 03:48:30 PM »
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no opinion, tho I'm a "believer" I haven't been to a church since I was a kid and I couldn't care less about what they do
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 04:42:28 AM »
Churches are required to post signs just like businesses are.
However, If you carry past a 30.06 or 30.07 sign it is now only a class C misdemeanor and the maximum penalty is $200.00 fine unless you trespass them in an amusement park, Church or Other Established Place of Religious Worship or Meetings of a Governmental Entity. Then it is a class A with up to a $4000 fine, a year in county jail, AND you lose your license to carry for five years.

If anybody gives you crap about carrying in church just remind them that Jesus told Peter to put his sword back in it's sheath. He didn't tell him to throw it away or leave it at home.
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 08:31:07 AM »
Ceejmo,

Moveover The Good Book say that If you have NO sword, go sell your cloak & buy a sword.
(Godly people are NOT supposed to be defenseless/cowering victims of vicious predators.)

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2017, 05:29:36 AM »
Ceejmo,

Moveover The Good Book say that If you have NO sword, go sell your cloak & buy a sword.
(Godly people are NOT supposed to be defenseless/cowering victims of vicious predators.)

yours, satx

Agreed, but I think "sword" has a dual meaning here. In this scripture I think the Sword is referring to the word of God. (Often referred to as "a double edged sword in scripture). Basically saying that if you are not familiar with the word of God get it at all cost. At any rate, He does not expect us to be defenseless.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2017, 09:51:32 PM »
Very deep discussion. Overall I’ve thought about bringing a gun to church but I think I will still leave it in the car. If I am destined to die in church then I couldn’t think of a better place. Life is full of shitty people that are looking to take advantage of anyone, church is the only place that I can be spiritually open and mentally free from social and political correctness. In my views the Word and Law of God is beyond our sinful world and it’s laws, it delivers us from evil. Now outside of church, I’ll F’you up, I just hope I never have to.
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POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 06:00:00 AM »
Very deep discussion. Overall I’ve thought about bringing a gun to church but I think I will still leave it in the car. If I am destined to die in church then I couldn’t think of a better place. Life is full of shitty people that are looking to take advantage of anyone, church is the only place that I can be spiritually open and mentally free from social and political correctness. In my views the Word and Law of God is beyond our sinful world and it’s laws, it delivers us from evil. Now outside of church, I’ll F’you up, I just hope I never have to.

But isnt leaving it in the car sorta being PC.

GOD gave us the right to self defense. Why would he want us defenseless in his house?
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2017, 07:34:33 PM »
The only thing that makes a structure different from others is who assembles there and why.  The word "church" comes from a word that refers to people (literally = those who have been called to a certain purpose).  If I am with my brothers and sisters in our building on Sunday...or anywhere else any other time...we are still the "church."  Scripture does say for us to "not forsake the gathering of ourselves together", but "church" is not what we go to...it is who and what we are no matter where we go.  Even when I'm shooting with friends at the range...we are the church.  Who we worship, what we believe and how we live doesn't (or shouldn't) change on the physical location.
If I may be respectfully blunt, me not carrying because I'm in a certain building with people I love doesn't make me any more moral, spiritual nor righteous. (Carrying doesn't either.)  Me being unable to defend my self and getting shot doesn't make me a martyr, moral nor spiritual.  Me being unable to help my family or friends as they are shot down doesn't either.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2017, 11:29:08 PM »
Would you INTENTIONALLY leave one of your helpless sheep in a wolf ridden forest,  and worry  that God would be mad at you if you tried to somehow  protect it, a harmless innocent  peaceful creature  of his making,  from certain death ?

I think not.

A church full of unarmed people at worship,  is just that, a flock of Gods harmless innocent creatures.

Wolves are also one of Gods creatures. They are a predator, but they kill to survive. I dont think their intent is evil. Id prefer not to kill a wolf unless it was absolutely necessary. 

Terrorist and evil people are predators at their worst, CREATED by evil. They kill for no reason, only evil intent.  They MOSTLY prey on unarmed innocent creatures, for no other reason than evil intent.
I would rather kill a terrorist than a wolf any day of the week.

I certainly consider myself as one of Gods flock.  Will I go looking for evil ?  NO.  Will I run from evil  when it finds me ? NO.
 I will protect the innocent , or kill any predator  who tries to prey on his innocent flock for no reason other than evil intent. . And If I die in the process of trying to protect the innocent in his flock from evil intent,  whether in HIS HOUSE, or elsewhere,  then so be it.

I believe God is a fair God, and will understand my intent was good and I was fighting evil and protecting his innocent .

 I might get a pretty good ass chewing, ( Im sure thats already a given anyway ) But I certainly have no worries about Him damning me to hell for it. My intent was good.

And as Forest Gump said,,, " THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT".  :th_thicon_idea:
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 04:21:13 PM »
To All,

St. Paul in THE GOOD BOOK said, "There are some walking among us who were devils from the first."

After 3 decades of dealing with vicious criminal MONSTERS (as a LEO), who LOOK like humans, I fully agree with the Apostle Paul.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2017, 07:00:50 PM »
This is just me, but I don't think open carry in church will become an issue even if there's no sign.
As far as having to give notice about no conceal carry...other places have to to do that somehow as well.
I really don't that'll be an issue either.
I think probably the majority of churches will not have any notices or signage.

Our church does not have a '06 or '07 sign.
We do have a sign for criminals. Every meeting I have been to emphasized that signs are a good deterrent to criminals.
Select members and staff are armed and well trained to respond to any disturbance.
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2017, 09:01:53 PM »
The evil in this world doesn't respect boundaries. Everyday when I exercise my right to carry a firearm I am aware of that. I am glad you and your congregation refuse to be victims.
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2018, 05:26:56 PM »
Attacks on places of worship are on the rise. I think that churches should have a plan in place to react to a shooter.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2018, 05:37:08 PM »
To All,

No more needs saying that these three words:  SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, TEXAS.

BTW, I attended the BCSD's ACTIVE ATTACK training in China Grove, TX today. - "ACTIVE ATTACK" is the new "umbrella"  term for "Active shooter", i.e., Mass Murder & Terrorist Acts. = The term was changed to cover EXPLOSIVES, VEHICLES, TOXINS  & as well as attacks by BLADES.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2018, 07:23:19 PM »
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2018, 08:18:55 PM »
Texas@last,

Pastor,  ImVho, you are making a potentially FATAL error of judgement. - Before continuing to NOT carry your handgun on our person, may I suggest that you read the TEXAS MONTHLY article entitled, "The Blood of the Lamb" AND the book THE DAY THE ANGELS CRIED, by Larry Linam.

Fyi, I carry every time that I'm at church (& everywhere else that concealed carry is lawful), as I lost a pair of boyhood chums in THE DAINGERFIELD CHURCH MASSACRE.
(One of those GOOD men was a local police officer, who had been asked to NOT carry his revolver in church.)

Should it happen that a MONSTER comes into our church & fires a firearm and/or tries to use any other deadly weapon, I will try to ambush him (hopefully from a covered & concealed position) W/O warning & shed not ONE tear over his sudden death.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2018, 09:13:01 PM »
Texas@last,

Pastor,  ImVho, you are making a potentially FATAL error of judgement. - Before continuing to NOT carry your handgun on our person, may I suggest that you read the TEXAS MONTHLY article entitled, The Blood of the Lamb" AND the book THE DAY THE ANGELS CRIED, by Larry Linam.

Fyi, I carry every time that I'm at church (& everywhere else that concealed carry is lawful), as I lost a pair of boyhood chums in THE DAINGERFIELD CHURCH MASSACRE.
(One of those GOOD men was a local police officer, who had been asked to NOT carry his revolver in church.)

Should it happen that a MONSTER comes into our church & fires a firearm and/or tries to use any other deadly weapon, I will try to ambush him (hopefully from a covered & concealed position) W/O warning & shed not ONE tear over his sudden death.

yours, satx

Hey Bro,

Anytime a weapon is involved there is a potential for fatal error of judgement.

Thank you for your concern.




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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2018, 10:13:54 PM »
Texas@last,

In well over 3 decades of carrying concealed essentially 24/365, I've NOT had to even once draw my handgun to defend anyone "off duty".
(I've been fully retired for about 12 years now but can still hit a 6" paper plate 8 or 9 times of 9 rounds with my APR1980-vintage Sig-Sauer P6 from the 25M line, so I'm little concerned about missing an evildoer  from an "inside the church distance", especially from "ambush" & a kneeling/supported position.)

Note: Our Baptist congregation has several men & at least, 2 women, who are KNOWN to our pastor/board of deacons to be CHL licensees & armed.

And YEP, after Daingerfield & Sutherland Springs, I'm concerned that ANY Texas church doesn't have armed/well-trained marksmen present in their services.
(In both massacres, the evident motive for the mass attack was HATRED of "churchgoing people".)
The monster of Daingerfield told the Morris County Master Jailer that he HATED "every sort of Bible-thumper" & was "sorry that he couldn't kill every one of them two-faced OBSCENITY DELETED".
In the aftermath of Sutherland Springs, the murderer's PC was found to have numerous comments about how much that he HATED all Christians & Jews & the outline of his murderous plan.

yours, satx
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