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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2012, 10:12:04 AM »
When I went to an IDPA match, most people were shooting their carry gun, or at least a gun that could be realistically carried. We just weren't drawing from concealment.

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2012, 10:18:01 AM »
So this specific match is for people who want to use realistic carry guns and carry conditions. If you already do, great. But I do not - I use a 5 inch 1911 (42oz unloaded), with a 3 pound trigger and ammo that makes power factor but not any higher and shoots awfully soft and I wear a vest for concealment.

When I'm on the "street" I will rarely carry my PX4 (the thing's just too damned heavy) and will frequently carry a J-frame or my Beretta 84 (double-stack .380) instead, with a t-shirt covering it. That's how I am going to show up to this match. I'm not an "operator" so in real life I don't wear tac pants and tactical vests.

This match also allows guns that are typically illegal in IDPA: 380, 25, 32, and just about anything that will be considered a BUG (back-up gun). This match will also allow carry positions that are atypical for IDPA (with prior approval).

The IDPA rules effectively state that 9mm is the smallest round feasible for self-defense purposes. Let that sink in for a while - the 380 is one of the most popular rounds today for CHL-purpose guns.

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2012, 10:18:43 AM »
When I went to an IDPA match, most people were shooting their carry gun, or at least a gun that could be realistically carried. We just weren't drawing from concealment.

Every gun that fits in the IDPA box (which is any legal gun) could realistically be carried.

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2012, 10:32:17 AM »
I usually carry my full size PX4 under an un-tucked shirt. But, when I shoot IDPA I tuck in my shirt and wear a vest. Recently I have been contemplating just showing up as I carry. Shirt un-tucked and no vest. It is easier to draw when wearing the vest than it is to draw from under a shirt. Since I am fairly new to the IDPA I chose to shoot with a vest and then graduate to normal concealment after I was more familiar with other aspects of the competition.
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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2012, 10:38:20 AM »
I usually carry my full size PX4 under an un-tucked shirt. But, when I shoot IDPA I tuck in my shirt and wear a vest. Recently I have been contemplating just showing up as I carry. Shirt un-tucked and no vest. It is easier to draw when wearing the vest than it is to draw from under a shirt. Since I am fairly new to the IDPA I chose to shoot with a vest and then graduate to normal concealment after I was more familiar with other aspects of the competition.

I did it the opposite way :) started using my PX4 with an untucked shirt. Getting your gun out successfully in that situation is a great skill to practice, because it's easier than you'd think to hang up on your shirt. To do it well every time, you almost have to pop your shirt off.   :th_thicon_lol:

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2012, 10:52:57 AM »
I've been shooting with these guys for a few months.  I walk in, swap my carry ammo for range ammo in my PX4 Compact and go shoot.

I don't compete with the other shooters, I compete with myself.  I took up IDPA because it a relatively inexpensive, safe, and convenient way to ensure that the first time I draw my carry gun from a holster is not in a self-defense situation...For my purposes, I will always participate with my carry configuration....typically this is an IWB holster and a polo style shirt untucked...

I think the Concealed carry match is a great idea to see how other handle their carry rigs...

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2012, 10:57:38 AM »
I've been shooting with these guys for a few months.  I walk in, swap my carry ammo for range ammo in my PX4 Compact and go shoot.

Yep - and that's the point of this match. To get everyone to do exactly that, because it doesn't happen as often as you'd think (watch the backup at the safe area on any night as people swap carry gear for competition gear).

Second point of this match was not enough people were participating in BUG matches - so we're changing it up a bit :)

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2012, 10:57:52 AM »
Quick question - I always seem to have some excuse not to go... For years, it was because I didn't want to embarrass myself. I am over that now.  :th_thicon_funny:

However - I have 2 bad knees. I am finally off crutches and doing a bit better - but I will never be "great" until I get knee replacements. Anyway, now (after skipping any target practice for like 7 months), I can stand and shoot, but I bring a stool to my indoor range... So I can sit down as I load mags and relax my knees in between shooting strings..

At IDPA - would I be allowed to sit until it was actually my turn to shoot. And, I assume that one does not have to run or job to participate in the "scenarios."

It is annoying because I am a thin guy, only 40 years old (and I look 10 years younger), and people often don't even believe I am handicapped when they look at me (I get hassled in the parking lot for the handicapped spot all the time)

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2012, 11:05:08 AM »
Quick question - I always seem to have some excuse not to go... For years, it was because I didn't want to embarrass myself. I am over that now.  :th_thicon_funny:

However - I have 2 bad knees. I am finally off crutches and doing a bit better - but I will never be "great" until I get knee replacements. Anyway, now (after skipping any target practice for like 7 months), I can stand and shoot, but I bring a stool to my indoor range... So I can sit down as I load mags and relax my knees in between shooting strings..

At IDPA - would I be allowed to sit until it was actually my turn to shoot. And, I assume that one does not have to run or job to participate in the "scenarios."

It is annoying because I am a thin guy, only 40 years old (and I look 10 years younger), and people often don't even believe I am handicapped when they look at me (I get hassled in the parking lot for the handicapped spot all the time)

Yes and no.

Most stages require at least some movement and some require other positions such as getting down on your knees. That said, there are provisions to allow anyone physically incapable of performing an act (kneeling for instance) to avoid the act by taking a small penalty (that is ultimately smaller than the time it'll take you to perform the act likely). At a major match recently, there was a big guy who refused to go prone because he couldn't, so he shot standing at the prone position. He took a 3 second penalty instead (and shot that part faster and didn't have to spend the time going prone, so it evens out). Moving, however, will be required as you can't shoot all targets from a single position (we have lots of people who don't run between positions however).

Sitting there until it's your turn may rub some people the wrong way, as targets need taped between shooters and everyone is expected to do that. I don't think it's a big deal personally (assuming a reason why you're not doing it versus you just don't want to help out); plus, there are other ways to help through the night (writing down scores for instance).

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2012, 11:07:37 AM »
Ok. I am in College Station, but there is a nearby group. I just sorta wanted to know what to expect, as this is now my latest situation that could prevent me from doing certain things...

I can't kneel down really (maybe if it was on carpet) and getting up from prone would be too difficult for a real non-life threatening practice.

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2012, 11:09:32 AM »
Oh, thanks for the info  :th_thicon_idea:

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2012, 11:12:59 AM »
Ok. I am in College Station, but there is a nearby group. I just sorta wanted to know what to expect, as this is now my latest situation that could prevent me from doing certain things...

I can't kneel down really (maybe if it was on carpet) and getting up from prone would be too difficult for a real non-life threatening practice.

There is stage guidance in IDPA that recommends a kneeling or prone position be the last position on a stage. This is both for safety issues and to help out people who can't get up easily. Not everyone follows this guidance, but for the most part they will.

That said, what club is near CS? I wasn't aware of anything out there.

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2012, 11:15:15 AM »
Also - this was my first night.
http://www.shilohidpa.com/Matches/IDPA/15/overall

Definitely no need to be embarrassed about performance. I was almost 4x the top shooter that day. That repeated for months :)

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2012, 11:17:16 AM »
Ok. I am in College Station, but there is a nearby group. I just sorta wanted to know what to expect, as this is now my latest situation that could prevent me from doing certain things...

I can't kneel down really (maybe if it was on carpet) and getting up from prone would be too difficult for a real non-life threatening practice.

There is stage guidance in IDPA that recommends a kneeling or prone position be the last position on a stage. This is both for safety issues and to help out people who can't get up easily. Not everyone follows this guidance, but for the most part they will.

That said, what club is near CS? I wasn't aware of anything out there.

I believe they are called Brazosland Pistoleros. They have been around for years, but have changed ranges recently. I have a friend who is a cop who is always trying to talk me into going.

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2012, 11:21:09 AM »
OK - note that they are USPSA and the kind of stages you see there may tend to be more physically oriented. You still don't have to run if you don't want of course :)

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2012, 11:23:43 AM »
Ok, thanks again for the info  :thumbsup1:

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2012, 12:04:50 PM »
I've been shooting with these guys for a few months.  I walk in, swap my carry ammo for range ammo in my PX4 Compact and go shoot.

I don't compete with the other shooters, I compete with myself.  I took up IDPA because it a relatively inexpensive, safe, and convenient way to ensure that the first time I draw my carry gun from a holster is not in a self-defense situation...For my purposes, I will always participate with my carry configuration....typically this is an IWB holster and a polo style shirt untucked...

I think the Concealed carry match is a great idea to see how other handle their carry rigs...

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That's sounds like what I THOUGHT IDPA was all about. Show up, swap your ammo, go shoot.

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2012, 12:25:44 PM »
I can play with my EDC and others can choose to play with more competition oriented gear up to the limits set forth in the rules.

The fact that IDPA allows for this approach is what makes it appealing for me.

As with any competitive sport, there will always be those that escalate the game to the limits of the rules (and beyond...) to be able to gain a competitive advantage...I don't begrudge them if that's what it takes to satisfy their nature....I'm just not one of them...

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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2012, 06:41:29 PM »
I think it is important to remember that IDPA (and other sports) may be good practice, but they aren't training.
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Re: Shiloh IDPA - Concealed Carry Match 8/30/12
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2012, 09:29:08 PM »
This sounds like it should be..... I'll be there
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