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Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« on: February 19, 2014, 04:37:14 PM »
I have heard that Tula 223/556 ammo is really dirty and hard to clean in a AR

True or false

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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 05:06:38 PM »
I've never shot it.  Federal isn't that much more expensive and I've never heard bad reviews of their stuff or had any bad experience with it.  Lol.  I've heard the same thing you have about Tula apparently. 
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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 07:36:30 PM »
I think they use flammable dirt instead of a nitrocellulose based powder. The coating on the cases will come off in a hot chamber too. If you want to use steel cased Russian ammo stick with Golden Bear or Silver Bear. Stay away from lacquer or ploy coated steel cases if you don't like cleaning very thoroughly after a shooting session.



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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 07:54:30 PM »
If you want to use steel cased Russian ammo stick with Golden Bear or Silver Bear.



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I can get Tula at Academy for $5.99...... how much are Golden Bear and Silver Bear?


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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2014, 06:34:33 PM »
Silver and Golden Bear are made by Barnaul, last time I picked up Golden Bear (Brass plated) 62gr HP it was $5.19 a box if you bought less than 500 rounds and $4.99 if you ordered 500 or more. That was about 2 years ago, I bought 2000 rounds at that time. I need to find more in the near future, I'm down to 340 rounds. Silver Bear was 5 cents per box less. Silver Bear (Zinc Plated) is being marketed under the Colt name too.  I've also had good results with Hungarian made RFS Zinc plated steel cased ammo.


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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2014, 07:15:51 AM »
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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2014, 10:51:38 AM »
I went to Battle Rifle Co......located in Webster, Tx......  to give my AR a face lift and they told me NOT to use steel case ammo as the lacquer gums up the firing chamber


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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2017, 02:44:10 PM »
I have heard that Tula 223/556 ammo is really dirty and hard to clean in a AR

True or false
I have 7.62x39 AR, I put a lot of Tula rounds through it. 300 at a time on average.   My friends shoot none copper rounds in 556 all the time.
 As long as you clean the gun and bolt, your fine.  Most of the build up will be on the bolt.  So take it apart when cleaning. The rest is easy. 
  Just careful with "wolf" ammo.  I don't know about 556 but, the 7.62x39 that they make is little bit longer than standard, creates feeding issues on AR.

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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 03:44:19 PM »
Although I've never fired any Russian AR-15 ammunition, it's been my experience that Russian gunpowder in general is made of equal parts coal dust, ground pine sap, and crushed charcoal briquettes. TulAmmo is rough, about in line with Wolf Military Classic. Ulyanovsk, Monarch, and Brown Bear aren't much cleaner. I've never tried Silver or Gold Bear, so I can't tell you much about them.

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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2017, 03:58:24 PM »
Is Tula dirtier? Maybe, I've shot just about every type of ammo through my ARs. Tula is cheaper so I tend to shoot more Tula or other Russian ammo (200+) at the range, so yes it's dirtier than just shooting 60 rounds of any more expensive American ammo. However, I clean my guns after every trip to the range so spending 20 minutes longer outside cleaning my rifle isn't a big deal. Now with Tula I have noticed that about 1 out of 100-150 rounds have a bad primer, to me that's a bigger issue than it being clean or dirty ammo.
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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 05:54:32 PM »
I have shot plenty of Tula.
It tends to be a little under powered due to the powder they use and this can cause some feeding issues.
All my AR's will shoot it 100%, and i would not want to own an AR that won't fire it.

That being said, the bullets are generally bi-metal, meaning copper coated steel.
This tends to cause more barrel wear than copper coated lead. -yes, I have seen the torture test
Not a huge concern, but it is a concern to me, so I don't shoot it much.
The big problem with steel cased ammo is that is does not expand as well as brass, so you do get more powder residue build-up.
If you shoot a bunch of steel cased ammo then switch to brass without cleaning, you may get a stuck case.
(this is how the whole "lacquer melted" thing started.)

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$5.99/bx for steel Tula vs. 6.99/box for brass American Eagle
.05/rd for ammo that is better and you can collect the brass and either reload it, sell it to a re-loader or scrap it for cash and it is generally cleaner and more accurate ammo.

I went to Battle Rifle Co......located in Webster, Tx......  to give my AR a face lift and they told me NOT to use steel case ammo as the lacquer gums up the firing chamber
That is an old gunshop tale.

But, most Russian ammo is not lacquer coated anymore anyways, they use a polymer coating.
Tula is polymer coated.
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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2017, 07:34:43 PM »
I put 100 rounds through my low end AR with no failures. Haven't cleaned it yet want to put a few hundred through.
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Re: Tula 223/556....is it dirty ammo
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2017, 10:05:21 PM »
I've ran case after case of Tula with no issues and I rarely clean my guns.  Some people have issues with anything that isn't brass casings.  I'm a cheap bastard and it's the cheapest I've found.