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Offline Gilgondorin

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Hypothetical: You happen upon this stabbing incident unfold.
« on: October 27, 2016, 10:14:41 PM »
OBLIGATORY WARNING: The video below DOES show the kid being stuck like a pincushion. It also shows him fall over and die from blood loss. If you have any objections, do not watch the video -- you have been warned.



....What would you do? Supposedly the young man in question was stabbed 18 times by the accused pictured later on in the video. The person stabbed is shown in the video pleading for help from multiple passersby including several motorists, but no one stopped and he eventually exsanguinated right on the spot; at least one pedestrian is seen rubber-necking for a closer look without rendering or calling for someone to render assistance. The exact timetable of the attack is unknown given that the footage was edited for brevity.

Questions I ask:

1.) Would you have violently intervened on the behalf of the man being stabbed?

2.) Would you have attempted to stop and render assistance (either before or after dealing with the threat/waiting for them to leave)?

Any additional speculation or commentary in addition to the above two questions is welcomed.

I personally don't know that I would have willingly gotten involved in the incident to save the victim. I don't know that I would have even gone to administer aid until I was at least fairly certain the knife-wielding guy was gone for sure (unless maybe I had competent backup), at which point the guy may have already died anyway.

* * * EDIT * * *

I should add that I'm merely posing this question to you all specifically because someone else on another forum posted the video indignant that no one would help him.

I personally don't believe many of you would use your arms and training to involve yourselves, but, and now I'm curious to see how well I gauged you all.

 * EDIT II *

I do agree that we'd all undoubtedly call 911 or something similar (don't get me wrong, because I certainly would too). I was just talking about physically stopping the threat, and/or playing live-fire combat medic until the police and ambulance arrive.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2016, 07:59:49 AM by Gilgondorin »

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Re: Hypothetical: You happen upon this stabbing incident unfold.
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2016, 10:21:33 PM »
Yikes!  This appears to be in the Philippines, so in a foreign country, I'm much likely to intervene. 
And it's hard to see what else happened before.  Maybe the guy stabbed just shot a few people and justice is swift?  I don't know.

If it were in Texas, and it is as the video makes it appears, I'm guessing most on this board, if they saw the entire incident would intervene with an appropriate level of force.


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Re: Hypothetical: You happen upon this stabbing incident unfold.
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2016, 07:53:32 AM »
Gil - you've judged me fairly accurately. Lol. Of course I've also stated my position on this pretty often.  I would have at minimum called for help.

There are a set of "what if's" and "depends" where I would have pulled mine and intervened, but as a general rule I won't.

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Re: Hypothetical: You happen upon this stabbing incident unfold.
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2016, 08:10:35 AM »
In a foreign country I would not do anything,  If in my own backyard who knows what prompted the stabbing. I would access the situation. I do not think I would unholster unless I felt threatened. I might try and render aid, 

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Re: Hypothetical: You happen upon this stabbing incident unfold.
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2016, 10:29:33 AM »
Outside the US?  Never get involved.  Nature is cruel, and life is cheap outside the U.S. Local law enforcement is notoriously corrupt and an a major contributor to the local crime problem.  Criminal justice systems are labyrinthian.  I have family in Mexico City.  One night a local restaurant owner was robbed and dragged out of his establishment, and executed on the sidewalk in front of my uncle's home.  In full view of dozens of witnesses.  The body lay on the sidewalk through the next morning, with pedestrians stepping over and around him.  The body was finally discovered by a patrol officer walking his beat just before noon the next day.  People know better than to call the cops in Mexico.  Stateside?  Civilian carrying with CHL?  Call 911.  Let your conscience and good judgement be your guide from there, but call 911 before wading all by your lonesome into a situation you know nothing about, involving multiple attackers armed with knives on a busy street.  You could find yourself embroiled in the next "Trayvon Martin" scenario. Corporate News media and the current administration is positively salivating over the next potential case. 
 
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Re: Hypothetical: You happen upon this stabbing incident unfold.
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2016, 10:47:47 AM »
I read Gil's warning so I don't plan to watch.

I can tell you that there are circumstances where I would stop the assault.  I would stop an assault on a child, a female or an elderly person.  Stopping an assault would not involve shooting unless either actor was dumb enough to charge the muzzle of my gun.  I would report the incident to authorities regardless of the actors, and if I had a good escape I would also inform the actors that the police were en route.

I plainly don't like bullies.  And, I try to choose my locations to deliberately avoid said calls to arms.

My problem with an otherwise fair fight where one actor failed to bring a knife to a knife fight is that I do not know what is happening to who.  I carry a pistol and if I fail to avoid the fight, I only hope my gun is the biggest, baddest gun in the fight.  The guy getting stabbed could deserve it and there are circumstances where I might like a few slices of my own.  Say the guy with the knife stopped the guy with the bloody holes in the act of assaulting his mother or his daughter.  To that I'd say stab on and get your story straight ... the cops are on their way.

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Re: Hypothetical: You happen upon this stabbing incident unfold.
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2016, 03:04:19 PM »
"Stab on and get your story straight... the cops are on their way".


That's probably one of the best things I've heard in long time. I also agree with it. Lol

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Re: Hypothetical: You happen upon this stabbing incident unfold.
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2016, 03:16:10 PM »
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Re: Hypothetical: You happen upon this stabbing incident unfold.
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2016, 03:29:00 PM »
I never answer these hypotheticals on a gun forum - on any gun forum. Not gonna say something that may come back to haunt me later...