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POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« on: November 12, 2017, 01:35:56 PM »
What do you think?
With the change in the original Texas CHL law, places of worship now must give verbal, written or posted warning to not CHL.  The North Texas United Methodist Conference recently noted that Open carry could be discouraged with 30.07 signs but Concealed was not addressed.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 02:10:47 PM »
This is just me, but I don't think open carry in church will become an issue even if there's no sign.
As far as having to give notice about no conceal carry...other places have to to do that somehow as well.
I really don't that'll be an issue either.
I think probably the majority of churches will not have any notices or signage.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 03:48:30 PM »
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no opinion, tho I'm a "believer" I haven't been to a church since I was a kid and I couldn't care less about what they do
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 04:42:28 AM »
Churches are required to post signs just like businesses are.
However, If you carry past a 30.06 or 30.07 sign it is now only a class C misdemeanor and the maximum penalty is $200.00 fine unless you trespass them in an amusement park, Church or Other Established Place of Religious Worship or Meetings of a Governmental Entity. Then it is a class A with up to a $4000 fine, a year in county jail, AND you lose your license to carry for five years.

If anybody gives you crap about carrying in church just remind them that Jesus told Peter to put his sword back in it's sheath. He didn't tell him to throw it away or leave it at home.
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 08:31:07 AM »
Ceejmo,

Moveover The Good Book say that If you have NO sword, go sell your cloak & buy a sword.
(Godly people are NOT supposed to be defenseless/cowering victims of vicious predators.)

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2017, 05:29:36 AM »
Ceejmo,

Moveover The Good Book say that If you have NO sword, go sell your cloak & buy a sword.
(Godly people are NOT supposed to be defenseless/cowering victims of vicious predators.)

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Agreed, but I think "sword" has a dual meaning here. In this scripture I think the Sword is referring to the word of God. (Often referred to as "a double edged sword in scripture). Basically saying that if you are not familiar with the word of God get it at all cost. At any rate, He does not expect us to be defenseless.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2017, 09:51:32 PM »
Very deep discussion. Overall I’ve thought about bringing a gun to church but I think I will still leave it in the car. If I am destined to die in church then I couldn’t think of a better place. Life is full of shitty people that are looking to take advantage of anyone, church is the only place that I can be spiritually open and mentally free from social and political correctness. In my views the Word and Law of God is beyond our sinful world and it’s laws, it delivers us from evil. Now outside of church, I’ll F’you up, I just hope I never have to.
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POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 06:00:00 AM »
Very deep discussion. Overall I’ve thought about bringing a gun to church but I think I will still leave it in the car. If I am destined to die in church then I couldn’t think of a better place. Life is full of shitty people that are looking to take advantage of anyone, church is the only place that I can be spiritually open and mentally free from social and political correctness. In my views the Word and Law of God is beyond our sinful world and it’s laws, it delivers us from evil. Now outside of church, I’ll F’you up, I just hope I never have to.

But isnt leaving it in the car sorta being PC.

GOD gave us the right to self defense. Why would he want us defenseless in his house?
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2017, 07:34:33 PM »
The only thing that makes a structure different from others is who assembles there and why.  The word "church" comes from a word that refers to people (literally = those who have been called to a certain purpose).  If I am with my brothers and sisters in our building on Sunday...or anywhere else any other time...we are still the "church."  Scripture does say for us to "not forsake the gathering of ourselves together", but "church" is not what we go to...it is who and what we are no matter where we go.  Even when I'm shooting with friends at the range...we are the church.  Who we worship, what we believe and how we live doesn't (or shouldn't) change on the physical location.
If I may be respectfully blunt, me not carrying because I'm in a certain building with people I love doesn't make me any more moral, spiritual nor righteous. (Carrying doesn't either.)  Me being unable to defend my self and getting shot doesn't make me a martyr, moral nor spiritual.  Me being unable to help my family or friends as they are shot down doesn't either.

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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2017, 11:29:08 PM »
Would you INTENTIONALLY leave one of your helpless sheep in a wolf ridden forest,  and worry  that God would be mad at you if you tried to somehow  protect it, a harmless innocent  peaceful creature  of his making,  from certain death ?

I think not.

A church full of unarmed people at worship,  is just that, a flock of Gods harmless innocent creatures.

Wolves are also one of Gods creatures. They are a predator, but they kill to survive. I dont think their intent is evil. Id prefer not to kill a wolf unless it was absolutely necessary. 

Terrorist and evil people are predators at their worst, CREATED by evil. They kill for no reason, only evil intent.  They MOSTLY prey on unarmed innocent creatures, for no other reason than evil intent.
I would rather kill a terrorist than a wolf any day of the week.

I certainly consider myself as one of Gods flock.  Will I go looking for evil ?  NO.  Will I run from evil  when it finds me ? NO.
 I will protect the innocent , or kill any predator  who tries to prey on his innocent flock for no reason other than evil intent. . And If I die in the process of trying to protect the innocent in his flock from evil intent,  whether in HIS HOUSE, or elsewhere,  then so be it.

I believe God is a fair God, and will understand my intent was good and I was fighting evil and protecting his innocent .

 I might get a pretty good ass chewing, ( Im sure thats already a given anyway ) But I certainly have no worries about Him damning me to hell for it. My intent was good.

And as Forest Gump said,,, " THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT".  :th_thicon_idea:
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Re: POLL: Concealed Carry in Church
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 04:21:13 PM »
To All,

St. Paul in THE GOOD BOOK said, "There are some walking among us who were devils from the first."

After 3 decades of dealing with vicious criminal MONSTERS (as a LEO), who LOOK like humans, I fully agree with the Apostle Paul.

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