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Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« on: March 09, 2017, 02:10:10 PM »
So as many of you know I picked up this "low end" Diamondback DB15 CCB. It now has almost 1000 rounds down range and here are my thoughts.


First some specs... It has a 1:9 twist a melonite (coated it says) barrel and receiver. The receiver is 165 steel and the upper and lower are both 7075 aluminium. The buttstock is an ATI..


Reliability -  0 Failures.... I have just finished coming from TXgunrange where I finished putting steel through it after sighting in the scope. At an indoor range previously I had put 3 magazines (90 rounds) through it with no misfeeds or failures... I had just cleaned it because before that it had over 400 rounds of Federal American Eagle 62 grain put down range through it... Today I put another magazine of Federal down range as well as 4 magazines of crappy TULA... 0 failures.


Accuracy -  I am not sure on this.. I sighted in the scope but I believe the sight mount might have loosened after I sighted in the scope.. I re tightened it down but I was shooting TULA and it was low and left.. I didn't want to adjust the MOA on my Vortex Crossfire II using TULA so I left it alone.. it seemed to shoot low and left..  I believe i mis sighted the scope and therefore even though it was shitty TULA ammo the MOA was pretty close between 1 to 2 at 100 yards...


Build Quality - It uses the same grade aluminum as premium manufacturers, although the bolt carrier group is made of 165 melonite coated steel... There are definitely better out there but this seems to go through anything you put through it.. I will clean it tomorrow afternoon and we'll see how dirty she got after 210 rounds of TULA the past two weeks... The barrel is chrome-moly melnonite coated with a 1:9 twist.. and the quad rail is aircraft aluminum.. it could be smaller... The barrel did not get too hot during firing..


Value - For the 450 to 500 dollar price tag these guns have been going for on Gunbroker and other similar sites.. I don't think you'll find a better weapon for the price point.. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe you folks can educate me on this, but for what you're getting you won't find much better. I scored the rifle alone for about 420 bucks in January brand new. With 3 magazines and a case I paid 450 OTT.


The gun with my cheap CV bipod and magpul foregrip and Vortex Crossfire II 3-9 x 40 scope




Sighting in at 100 yards using federal ammo..




Tula pot shooting at 100 yards.. obviously low left..

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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2017, 08:38:51 AM »
I'm usually pretty anti Diamondback anything, but that's a pretty good price for what you're getting.  I dig it.   :icon_wink:
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2017, 09:00:12 AM »
Glad you like it and it sounds pretty decent, but like Jeb I normally think Diamondback is low budget/low quality.
Might be that their AR is an okay value option, but with S&W M&P-15 and Ruger AR-556 options reaching sub-$500 prices lately I would look to them for best value.
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2017, 02:46:31 PM »
Glad you like it and it sounds pretty decent, but like Jeb I normally think Diamondback is low budget/low quality.
Might be that their AR is an okay value option, but with S&W M&P-15 and Ruger AR-556 options reaching sub-$500 prices lately I would look to them for best value.


I havent been able to find a SW MP 16 for under 500 yet... after FFL and stuff they are coming out to about 560 on Gunbroker, and the used market guys on facebook think they are worth gold so they try to sell them at 650 plus.. I'm biding my time.. It'll happen, but for the price you're not getting anything better...
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2017, 03:38:52 PM »
Never had one of those brands. But if it goes pow, pow, pow, and not  pow , click click,,  thats  as much as should be expected form that price really.

I got a NIB  DPMS  Ar15 carbine oracle last summer for $450  OTD.  Pretty accurate.  Everything functions as should. I see no machine flaws.  It runs fine with metal mags. But stick a polymere mag in it, and it will FTF.
So I jjust dont use polymere mags. Im happy with it for that price. 
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2017, 04:09:58 PM »
Never had one of those brands. But if it goes pow, pow, pow, and not  pow , click click,,  thats  as much as should be expected form that price really.

I got a NIB  DPMS  Ar15 carbine oracle last summer for $450  OTD.  Pretty accurate.  Everything functions as should. I see no machine flaws.  It runs fine with metal mags. But stick a polymere mag in it, and it will FTF.
So I jjust dont use polymere mags. Im happy with it for that price.


Yeah and ATI and DelTON ARS are going for 399 right now... Which I find interesting!
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2017, 06:25:37 PM »
I havent been able to find a SW MP 16 for under 500 yet... after FFL and stuff they are coming out to about 560 on Gunbroker, and the used market guys on facebook think they are worth gold so they try to sell them at 650 plus.. I'm biding my time.. It'll happen, but for the price you're not getting anything better...

Look on Slickguns, like this UPC search, there were some under $500 over the past month, and a couple still (before shipping):
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2017, 12:33:56 AM »
I think all our LGS's stocked up on AR's last fall  so they could pull the big price gouge when hilly won the election.  Most are now overstocked with carbines and selling at least  $100 , and cheaper than they were last fall. The minute Trump won the prices started dropping.

Some of the 308 calibers are $200 cheaper.

But prices on 18 & 20 inch barrels are still high $$$.
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2017, 06:43:17 AM »
Glad the rifle is working out for you.
That it functions with Tula is a good sign.
I am not a big fan of steel cased ammo, but I require my AR's to be able to shoot it.   

Your review is similar to several others I have read. They seem to function well.

Your scope also gets good reviews. - what mount are you using for the Vortex?

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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2017, 10:57:29 AM »
Glad the rifle is working out for you.
That it functions with Tula is a good sign.
I am not a big fan of steel cased ammo, but I require my AR's to be able to shoot it.   

Your review is similar to several others I have read. They seem to function well.

Your scope also gets good reviews. - what mount are you using for the Vortex?

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QITM3WK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


This is the mount I am using. I think honestly I just had not tightened it down good enough.
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2017, 08:32:41 AM »
I was just curious which mount it was. 

I prefer the one piece mounts for the AR.

But it's easy to not have it set quite right the first couple of times.
I have the Burris P.E.P.R. Mount on my rifle. 

The biggest trick to mounting a scope is making sure it is straight and level. 

I originally got it for my carbine so I could quickly switch between the scope and my eotech.

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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2017, 08:44:22 AM »
UPDATE:


Finally after 400 rounds of steel case ammo, and probably bad cleaning on my part, a steel case was jammed in the barrel so tight I had to take it to a gun smith to get it removed..

The story is simple, we were going to a friends ranch south of Goldthwaite Texas I decided to take all my guns as it would be fun to shoot at someone's ranch range. I decided to let a buddy have a crack at the first shots out of my AR. First shot went bang, then click, I take a look and the case is stuck inside the barrel, could NOT get it out. here is the case.








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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2017, 09:06:54 AM »
If you are going to shoot steel cased ammo, you really need to to give the chamber a good cleaning after each range trip.

Hopefully you have (and use) a chamber brush.


Steel cased ammo does not expand as well as brass, so there is more powder residue left in the chamber so it gets dirty faster.

People will tell you the lacquer melts into the chamber making things sticky, this is not true,

1) I've seen a blowtorch taken to the lacquer coating and it did not melt.
2) the Russian cased steel ammo is no longer lacquer coated, they now use a polymer coating.

I am not a fan of the bi-metal bullets used in steel cased ammo.
With the price of brass cased ammo down, this is the time to stack it deep.  :icon_wink:

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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2017, 09:25:24 AM »
I use a bore snake and usually take it through 3 or 4 times.. should I be using a brush as well?
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2017, 11:35:59 AM »
I use a bore snake and usually take it through 3 or 4 times.. should I be using a brush as well?
A boresnake generally does not clean the chamber well enough...  the bristles are only .223 for the barrel.

They are OK for a quick clean,
but a chamber brush is larger because you want to clean the area where the cartridge sits when firing.
(That is the area where your case got stuck).

You put the chamber brush on a rod, insert it and twist it in the chamber to loosen all the debris, the long bristles clean out the locking lugs,
the brass bristles ensure you get any built-up goop out of the chamber.

I don't use all the fancy doo-dads they use, but this is the basic idea:



I just use a USGI chamber brush on a rod and Breakfree CLP. :)
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2017, 02:11:40 PM »
ballistol will work just as good as CLP correct?
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Re: Diamondback DB15CCB thoughts
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2017, 08:17:12 PM »
I'm a big believer in CLP and Hoppes #9

Ballistol will probably work fine since the brush does most of the work,
But breakfree was drilled into my head in the army, so that is what I use. 

Old habits.  😀
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