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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2017, 09:53:02 PM »
Gilgondorin,

Inasmuch as the DP is "on life support" & SINKING FAST, I wouldn't hold my breath until they EVER get control of either House of Congress and/or the WH again in our lifetimes.
(Just tonight the Democrat Governor of WV "switched parties" to GOP. = He's smart enough to see, "the handwriting on the wall".)

Fwiw, in AUG17, the GOP & DIMs have the same percentage of the adult voters: 22-25%, with the remainder "mostly independent".
(The 2 major parties haven't had equal percentages of voters since COL Roosevelt's day.)

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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2017, 10:18:24 PM »
For what it's worth, both NRA and GOA are strong supporters of national reciprocity.  I would hope {expect} they would have studied both the upside and any potential downside to this issue throughly.
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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2017, 10:21:38 PM »
Yeah, well, just a few years ago they were one of the most powerful political forces around and it was the republicans that were turning on each other. Times and fortunes change -- they probably did not ever foresee themselves in this predicament they're in right now, which is why the idiots screwed themselves over by passing that voting majority law that's allowing us to crush them underfoot for the time-being. Call me paranoid, overly cautious, or something more unkind; I just don't pushing this at the federal level is a good idea.

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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2017, 11:31:05 PM »
Gilgondorin,

As my beloved grandfather always said, "That's why they have horseraces."

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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2017, 08:47:07 AM »
Found this interesting. 


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Reciprocity of US state driver licenses across state lines is due to agreement between the several states and is not the result of any federal legislation. This process started in 1933, with the founding of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA), which has, since then, lobbied (often in conjunction with the National Convention of State Legislatures) the states to adopt mostly uniform law regarding driving, both regarding to the “rules of the road” and the process of obtaining a driver’s license and using it across state lines.

There is very little federal legislation regarding driver’s licenses, and most of what there is is controversial (e.g. the post-9/11 legislation requiring “enhanced identification” which has been very slow to be adopted by the states). This has traditionally been an area where the states have developed standards, both in competition and in cooperation with one another, with little interference by the federal government. The main thing that Congress has done in this area was to declare, in 1958:

That the consent of Congress is hereby given to any two or more of the several States to enter into agreements or compacts— (1) for cooperative effort and mutual assistance in the establishment and carrying out of traffic safety programs, including, but not limited to, the enactment of uniform traffic laws, driver education and training, coordination of traffic law enforcement, research into safe automobile and highway design, and research programs of the human factors affecting traffic safety, and (2) for the establishment of such agencies, joint or otherwise, as they deem desirable for the establishment and carrying out of such traffic safety programs.

This is the so-called “Beamer Resolution” (introduced by Indiana Representative John Beamer). Note that this enactment doesn’t force states to enter into such agreements; it simply provides the Constitutionally-required permission for the states to enter into them should they so choose. Congress has also indirectly encouraged states to develop uniform road standards through its power to provide states with funding: states that accept federal highway funding money are generally required to observe federal standards for any projects that are funded with that money. But by and large the federal standards are derived from recommendations made by the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO).

It is likely impossible—that is, unconstitutional—for the federal government to mandate that one state recognize a license issued by another state for any purpose, no matter what that be: driving, the practice of law, the practice of medicine, or the possession of a firearm. If the activity is one which the state is empowered to require its own citizens to have a license to do, it is equally empowered to require citizens of another state to also be equivalently licensed, and it is solely in the power of the state to decide what it accepts as an “equivalent license”.

It might be possible to establish some sort of national right to concealed carry, but, as far as I can tell, that would have to be through the Supreme Court authoritatively interpreting the Constitutional right to bear arms so as to prohibit states from being allowed to require a license to conceal-carry at all. As long as the Constitutional right to bear arms does not preclude states from having the authority to grant or withhold licenses for concealed carry, states will have the right to do so on any terms, agreeable to that state, that do not violate the Fourteenth Amendment’s guarantees of equal protection and due process. This is simply something that is not within the power of either the President acting alone, or even the President and Congress acting in concert, to change; any change here would have to come from the Supreme Court, using its power to interpret the Constitution to clarify the extent and scope of the Second Amendment’s guarantee, or in the form of a Constitutional Amendment to do the same thing
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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2017, 09:02:50 AM »
Jeb_66,

Did I miss the source of this interesting post??

Also, as far as I can determine,  every State MUST accept my marriage & driver's license, regardless of whether they approve of TX law on marriage/driving or not.

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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2017, 09:19:25 AM »
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seems to me that this thread is gettin' too complicated - would suggest that if you want to sign the petition, sign it - if ya don't wanna sign it, don't

opinions posted within the thread aren't, in my opinion, gonna change anyone's mind
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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2017, 09:30:22 AM »
It's the MUST part that gets me.  Why must they?  Well the Supreme Court has ruled on the marriage issue so it's Federal law, right?  Not so with the driver's license.  As I understand it, that's an agreement between the states NOT forced from the Federal government.  If this was being done at the state level I'd support it.  I don't support it at the federal level.


Hell, I also don't support the feds forcing states to recognize marriage licenses from out of state either.  Lol
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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2017, 09:31:33 AM »
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seems to me that this thread is gettin' too complicated - would suggest that if you want to sign the petition, sign it - if ya don't wanna sign it, don't

opinions posted within the thread aren't, in my opinion, gonna change anyone's mind

True dat.  I'm out.  I'll let satx have the last word, because I don't think it'll end any other way.  Ever. 
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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2017, 09:33:41 AM »
I actually like the discussion going on here .  It is well thought out , kind and agreeable.

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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2017, 12:45:39 PM »
That's exactly what I thought too — I was amused with the articulation of the differing opinions the others were sharing. I had no idea we were all supposed to shut up and just sit here like a pack of mimes; my apologies then. :th_thicon_lol:

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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2017, 04:05:13 PM »
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didn't mean to offend - my point being is that there's an awful lot of "speculative" opinion being posted - so, the opinions are actually meaningless until such time something definitive with reference to the subject takes place

in the meantime, place your name on the petition - or don't - spinning wheels but some folks like spinning wheels - different strokes, knock yourself out
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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2017, 05:10:50 PM »
Although it's nice to think your voice is being heard, IMO, petitions such as this rarely work or achieve the desired goal and seriously doubt it will change the mind of any politician. The other "Popular Petitions" on the We The People web site to appeal the National Firearms Act and to release Trumps Tax records is the same old tired political rhetoric that comes up every now and then and then quietly goes away only to be resurrected by someone that's been voted into office that wants to call attention to his or her self. Your real voice is at the ballot box.
That being said I did sign a petition once, a few years ago, to force the city of College Station to allow citizens to vote on allowing the continual use of cameras at traffic lights to generate income for the city. Registered voters only. You just had to sign and print your name. No E-mail no address no phone number. The issue was placed on the next ballot and the voice of the people was heard. The city contested the outcome but the issue was seen for what it was, not about safety but about filling the city coffers. Bye bye cameras.
A petition that wants my personal info like an E-Mail address gets a pass from me. I get enough unsolicited spam crap as it is. I see you have the option of opting out on this one but do you really. They must want your E-mail for a reason. They have to generate money somehow but I'm just a suspicious old fart!  :th_rant:
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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2017, 08:16:09 PM »
Alte,
There's a way to mitigate the spam to some degree and track the spammers.  I have a domain I own and use for signing up for various 'things'.

So if I'm going to sign a white house petition, the email address is white-house-petition@mydomain.com
If I want to sign up for texas gun forum it's tgf@mydomain.com, etc.

I can then whitelist or blacklist any of these.  It costs about $12 a year but is worth not getting every spam known to man at my primary email.



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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2017, 10:07:39 PM »
Alte,
There's a way to mitigate the spam to some degree and track the spammers.  I have a domain I own and use for signing up for various 'things'.

So if I'm going to sign a white house petition, the email address is white-house-petition@mydomain.com
If I want to sign up for texas gun forum it's tgf@mydomain.com, etc.

I can then whitelist or blacklist any of these.  It costs about $12 a year but is worth not getting every spam known to man at my primary email.




Thanks. There was a time in my life when something like that might appeal to me but to tell the truth I only go on line to read the news and throw out my thoughts and observations on the few forums I hooked up with over the years. If I come across something that wants my personal information I just move on. I ordered some jewelry for my wife a couple of years ago and like and idiot gave them one of my e-mail addresses. They send me five to six spam mails a week using my first name like I'm their best friend. I guess we have all been there and done that. I retire again in November so I may be rethinking all of that as I will have much more time on my hands.
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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2017, 11:02:53 PM »
Alte Schule,

I get lots of spam every day, too (over 100 today)  BUT it's easy to hit "delete". = NEVER read anything in "the spam section".
(I rather liked the "old app" on my, even more primitive,  old laptop that had a "trashcan image" that spam disappeared into, when one hit "delete".)

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Re: Petition to request Interstate Reciprocity for CHL
« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2017, 11:32:55 PM »
Alte,
There's a way to mitigate the spam to some degree and track the spammers.  I have a domain I own and use for signing up for various 'things'.

So if I'm going to sign a white house petition, the email address is white-house-petition@mydomain.com
If I want to sign up for texas gun forum it's tgf@mydomain.com, etc.

I can then whitelist or blacklist any of these.  It costs about $12 a year but is worth not getting every spam known to man at my primary email.

Amen, that is exactly what I do, but as a hosting company myself it is pretty easy.
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